1 00:00:08,820 --> 00:00:14,310 foreign 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:31,749 [Music] 3 00:00:36,590 --> 00:00:34,370 Air Forces has announced that applying 4 00:00:38,209 --> 00:00:36,600 disc has been found and is now in the 5 00:00:41,209 --> 00:00:38,219 possession of the army 6 00:00:44,930 --> 00:00:41,219 game is great change the game game 7 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:44,940 changer I occasionally think how quickly 8 00:00:51,950 --> 00:00:48,600 our differences worldwide would vanish 9 00:00:53,220 --> 00:00:51,960 if we were facing an alien threat from 10 00:00:55,150 --> 00:00:53,230 outside this work 11 00:00:55,310 --> 00:00:55,160 [Music] 12 00:00:57,610 --> 00:00:55,320 [Applause] 13 00:01:00,529 --> 00:00:57,620 [Music] 14 00:01:03,410 --> 00:01:00,539 this is Fade to Black with your host 15 00:01:04,089 --> 00:01:03,420 Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio 16 00:01:07,630 --> 00:01:04,099 Network 17 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:07,640 [Music] 18 00:01:14,469 --> 00:01:11,040 all right good evening Fade to Black how 19 00:01:19,010 --> 00:01:14,479 you doing today's Thursday June 8 20 00:01:20,090 --> 00:01:19,020 2023 and uh yeah yeah I mean church 21 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:20,100 tonight 22 00:01:26,390 --> 00:01:22,560 oh what a crazy week what a crazy week 23 00:01:29,390 --> 00:01:26,400 tonight John Greenwald Jr of The Black 24 00:01:31,490 --> 00:01:29,400 Vault joins us we're going to be talking 25 00:01:33,670 --> 00:01:31,500 about a lot of things tonight and we're 26 00:01:37,210 --> 00:01:33,680 going to Center stuff around 27 00:01:40,670 --> 00:01:37,220 uh I'm just calling him the UAP 28 00:01:43,310 --> 00:01:40,680 whistleblower David grush we'll be 29 00:01:47,030 --> 00:01:43,320 talking about that tonight and uh trying 30 00:01:50,050 --> 00:01:47,040 to approach things from every angle and 31 00:01:53,690 --> 00:01:50,060 before I go into 32 00:01:57,530 --> 00:01:53,700 uh one of my favorite things uh to do in 33 00:02:02,810 --> 00:01:57,540 the past was to read John greenwald's 15 34 00:02:05,870 --> 00:02:02,820 page CV about how amazing of a life he 35 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:05,880 has LED and ever since he was six years 36 00:02:11,449 --> 00:02:08,399 old before the internet he started The 37 00:02:14,170 --> 00:02:11,459 Black Vault and did all of that on his 38 00:02:17,510 --> 00:02:14,180 own and created the internet and now 39 00:02:20,990 --> 00:02:17,520 owns the internet the blackfall.com the 40 00:02:24,589 --> 00:02:21,000 links for it are below if you really 41 00:02:27,589 --> 00:02:24,599 want the best reading period the reason 42 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:27,599 for the internet go to The Black Vault 43 00:02:33,290 --> 00:02:30,480 and the the crazy thing from what I 44 00:02:35,930 --> 00:02:33,300 understand it's all free 45 00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:35,940 welcome back John Greenwald how you 46 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:38,520 doing sir Junior I'm good I'm good I 47 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:40,080 think we may have to fact check a couple 48 00:02:43,490 --> 00:02:41,940 things in that intro for next time but 49 00:02:46,130 --> 00:02:43,500 don't worry about it we'll go with it 50 00:02:48,290 --> 00:02:46,140 let's let's rock and roll all right you 51 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:48,300 were six and a half years old it's it's 52 00:02:53,869 --> 00:02:50,640 nice now it's accurate I know I know I 53 00:02:57,050 --> 00:02:53,879 know I know well you know uh you and I 54 00:03:00,170 --> 00:02:57,060 talk about this a lot but it's really 55 00:03:04,210 --> 00:03:00,180 um a funny story so I'll tell the 56 00:03:10,369 --> 00:03:04,220 abbreviated version back in the day 57 00:03:14,809 --> 00:03:10,379 like before Mosaic right back in the day 58 00:03:18,229 --> 00:03:14,819 I stumbled upon uh The Black Vault and 59 00:03:21,530 --> 00:03:18,239 and I know I know from uh when and where 60 00:03:24,530 --> 00:03:21,540 that happened he must have been weeks 61 00:03:28,130 --> 00:03:24,540 into the website right okay so anyway I 62 00:03:30,050 --> 00:03:28,140 find it's the name that grabbed me and 63 00:03:34,550 --> 00:03:30,060 I'm looking for everything UFO you know 64 00:03:35,809 --> 00:03:34,560 and and I thought to myself I was so 65 00:03:38,210 --> 00:03:35,819 innocent 66 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:38,220 the police are going to kick down my 67 00:03:42,649 --> 00:03:40,980 front door this is a website that is not 68 00:03:46,970 --> 00:03:42,659 so it's not supposed to be out there 69 00:03:49,070 --> 00:03:46,980 this right here is not legal and I've 70 00:03:50,930 --> 00:03:49,080 been addicted to The Black Vault ever 71 00:03:54,289 --> 00:03:50,940 since of course you know we have become 72 00:03:57,649 --> 00:03:54,299 friends and and and all of that but that 73 00:04:00,470 --> 00:03:57,659 that was now let's think about this for 74 00:04:02,809 --> 00:04:00,480 a second that's only in 96. I was gonna 75 00:04:06,830 --> 00:04:02,819 say almost almost 30 years ago that's 76 00:04:08,390 --> 00:04:06,840 nuts man that's nice I yeah it uh even 77 00:04:10,309 --> 00:04:08,400 in the beginning days didn't even have 78 00:04:13,009 --> 00:04:10,319 the Black Vault name but it came shortly 79 00:04:16,430 --> 00:04:13,019 after but I had one of those crazy you 80 00:04:19,789 --> 00:04:16,440 know total 1990s website with flashy 81 00:04:22,370 --> 00:04:19,799 graphics and stuff and UFOs was just a a 82 00:04:24,950 --> 00:04:22,380 subsection of a website that you know 83 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:24,960 one person a year would look at 84 00:04:27,770 --> 00:04:26,280 um and then it just kind of grew from 85 00:04:30,950 --> 00:04:27,780 there you know that one little section 86 00:04:33,290 --> 00:04:30,960 but yeah 96 is when I when I started it 87 00:04:34,390 --> 00:04:33,300 and I keep doing documents in by hand 88 00:04:37,070 --> 00:04:34,400 man 89 00:04:40,490 --> 00:04:37,080 right right right right I can just 90 00:04:42,290 --> 00:04:40,500 picture your mom John dinner's ready are 91 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:42,300 you gonna come out of your room in a 92 00:04:55,249 --> 00:04:51,710 I just got a some kind of uh uh uh what 93 00:04:57,290 --> 00:04:55,259 what what's the ancient scanner you know 94 00:04:58,670 --> 00:04:57,300 something that's the thing I didn't even 95 00:05:01,610 --> 00:04:58,680 have a scanner back in the day I would 96 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:01,620 literally type it in by hand uh and that 97 00:05:05,450 --> 00:05:04,020 I think I got to I forget what it was it 98 00:05:07,969 --> 00:05:05,460 was under a thousand pages but I mean 99 00:05:10,210 --> 00:05:07,979 hundreds of pages that that typed in by 100 00:05:13,430 --> 00:05:10,220 hand and I would figure out like a a 101 00:05:14,629 --> 00:05:13,440 what they call ASCII code not not to age 102 00:05:16,730 --> 00:05:14,639 myself because nobody really knows what 103 00:05:19,249 --> 00:05:16,740 ASCII code is anymore but I would figure 104 00:05:21,170 --> 00:05:19,259 out the symbols to denote blacked out 105 00:05:24,110 --> 00:05:21,180 document you know blacked out parts of 106 00:05:26,450 --> 00:05:24,120 the document and other symbols for 107 00:05:28,430 --> 00:05:26,460 letters you couldn't read you know in a 108 00:05:30,350 --> 00:05:28,440 1940s document it was crazy back then 109 00:05:32,689 --> 00:05:30,360 man it was a it was a whole different 110 00:05:35,150 --> 00:05:32,699 wild west on the internet I cannot 111 00:05:38,810 --> 00:05:35,160 believe you just dropped ASCII on this 112 00:05:40,010 --> 00:05:38,820 on the show watch my language that was 113 00:05:45,050 --> 00:05:40,020 oh 114 00:05:47,749 --> 00:05:45,060 um here's uh we have so much to cover 115 00:05:51,590 --> 00:05:47,759 tonight and 116 00:05:56,210 --> 00:05:51,600 um and I'm going to start here as as as 117 00:05:58,430 --> 00:05:56,220 as nutty as uh David grush is the story 118 00:06:02,029 --> 00:05:58,440 um uh not David 119 00:06:04,870 --> 00:06:02,039 um the historian is crazy as it is 120 00:06:08,749 --> 00:06:04,880 it's not as crazy 121 00:06:11,749 --> 00:06:08,759 as 10-foot aliens crash landing in Las 122 00:06:15,230 --> 00:06:11,759 Vegas asking where Mick West's house is 123 00:06:18,650 --> 00:06:15,240 that's pretty nuts and so when that news 124 00:06:23,330 --> 00:06:18,660 the bad news broke 125 00:06:25,870 --> 00:06:23,340 um what is is is is the timing of uh are 126 00:06:31,070 --> 00:06:25,880 are we to expect 127 00:06:33,710 --> 00:06:31,080 UFO alien contact Centric news from here 128 00:06:34,909 --> 00:06:33,720 on out is this the world we we live in 129 00:06:38,150 --> 00:06:34,919 now 130 00:06:40,490 --> 00:06:38,160 from the Vegas case because I'll preface 131 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:40,500 it with saying I have not had time to 132 00:06:44,330 --> 00:06:41,880 look at it so I'm not going to sit here 133 00:06:46,850 --> 00:06:44,340 and either say yes this is 134 00:06:48,710 --> 00:06:46,860 um yet another explosive story nor will 135 00:06:52,670 --> 00:06:48,720 I say oh my gosh we need to dismiss it 136 00:06:54,770 --> 00:06:52,680 uh so so that aside what I can speak to 137 00:06:57,230 --> 00:06:54,780 more broadly and and you can look back 138 00:07:00,230 --> 00:06:57,240 at the history of this when a major UFO 139 00:07:02,090 --> 00:07:00,240 story breaks like the major ones and 140 00:07:04,430 --> 00:07:02,100 they go viral and they go all around the 141 00:07:06,650 --> 00:07:04,440 world generally within the the next 142 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:06,660 couple of days as that story starts to 143 00:07:10,550 --> 00:07:08,580 die off from the news cycle obviously 144 00:07:12,290 --> 00:07:10,560 this is a huge one but it starts to die 145 00:07:15,830 --> 00:07:12,300 off you see other ones right they try 146 00:07:18,170 --> 00:07:15,840 and ride that wave a little bit and it 147 00:07:19,909 --> 00:07:18,180 really is a fascinating thing to watch 148 00:07:22,550 --> 00:07:19,919 the media and how it operates and it's 149 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:22,560 not just with UFOs but other Hot Topic 150 00:07:25,969 --> 00:07:24,240 stories as well where they try and ride 151 00:07:27,170 --> 00:07:25,979 that wave now I'm not saying that that's 152 00:07:29,570 --> 00:07:27,180 what they're doing in this particular 153 00:07:31,909 --> 00:07:29,580 story so before everybody sends me hate 154 00:07:34,070 --> 00:07:31,919 mail I just I haven't looked into this 155 00:07:36,110 --> 00:07:34,080 case yet but I think I joked about it 156 00:07:38,870 --> 00:07:36,120 with my wife just yesterday or the day 157 00:07:41,510 --> 00:07:38,880 before and because she was talking uh 158 00:07:42,950 --> 00:07:41,520 about the the grush story and she heard 159 00:07:44,210 --> 00:07:42,960 about it from friends at work that are 160 00:07:46,010 --> 00:07:44,220 really into the topic what does your 161 00:07:47,809 --> 00:07:46,020 husband think and you know that kind of 162 00:07:49,550 --> 00:07:47,819 stuff and in the course of that 163 00:07:51,409 --> 00:07:49,560 conversation I joked around I said you 164 00:07:53,089 --> 00:07:51,419 watch you know as the attention from 165 00:07:54,650 --> 00:07:53,099 that just starts to wane a little bit 166 00:07:57,110 --> 00:07:54,660 until something else new comes around 167 00:07:58,850 --> 00:07:57,120 you'll start to see another UFO story or 168 00:08:01,790 --> 00:07:58,860 two and that's exactly what happened 169 00:08:02,990 --> 00:08:01,800 with the Las Vegas you know story here 170 00:08:04,070 --> 00:08:03,000 that we got 171 00:08:07,129 --> 00:08:04,080 um 172 00:08:09,710 --> 00:08:07,139 put before us here in the last day or 173 00:08:11,990 --> 00:08:09,720 two so it never fails and again that's 174 00:08:13,249 --> 00:08:12,000 I'm sure we'll get into it in the in the 175 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:13,259 show but 176 00:08:16,670 --> 00:08:15,120 um I joke around about it in the context 177 00:08:18,710 --> 00:08:16,680 that you and I are chatting about it now 178 00:08:22,070 --> 00:08:18,720 but it is actually really serious when 179 00:08:24,890 --> 00:08:22,080 you talk about how there is a lack of 180 00:08:26,869 --> 00:08:24,900 Investigation in investigative 181 00:08:29,749 --> 00:08:26,879 journalism this day and age when it 182 00:08:32,570 --> 00:08:29,759 comes to UAP and UFOs and uh and and 183 00:08:34,610 --> 00:08:32,580 that's the unfortunate thing so when we 184 00:08:36,769 --> 00:08:34,620 see stories that are generally coming 185 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:36,779 out around the wave of a viral story 186 00:08:40,610 --> 00:08:38,880 like this and I know that the case 187 00:08:42,709 --> 00:08:40,620 didn't happen this week it just was 188 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:42,719 reported this week you know why wasn't 189 00:08:46,970 --> 00:08:44,880 this reported on a week or two ago you 190 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:46,980 know what what it what is with that and 191 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:49,260 then you start to kind of dissect a 192 00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:50,760 little bit about how the media operates 193 00:08:54,590 --> 00:08:52,320 again that's not to take away from the 194 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:54,600 case or the magnitude of the story but 195 00:08:58,610 --> 00:08:55,980 rather that's an element of this 196 00:09:01,370 --> 00:08:58,620 conversation that becomes a very very 197 00:09:04,970 --> 00:09:01,380 important aspect to tackle as well well 198 00:09:07,190 --> 00:09:04,980 we have you know oddly enough I I can 199 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:07,200 take this right back to Las Vegas too as 200 00:09:11,810 --> 00:09:09,360 well and that story 201 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:11,820 that happened on May 1st 202 00:09:17,210 --> 00:09:14,760 the last time I checked this is June 8th 203 00:09:22,009 --> 00:09:17,220 yeah and 204 00:09:23,870 --> 00:09:22,019 um and and it's just wouldn't that be uh 205 00:09:27,889 --> 00:09:23,880 George Knapp lives in Las Vegas right 206 00:09:29,949 --> 00:09:27,899 klis is in Las Vegas the the home of UFO 207 00:09:33,230 --> 00:09:29,959 Reporting 208 00:09:36,410 --> 00:09:33,240 why why do you think the delay in that 209 00:09:38,329 --> 00:09:36,420 and as well as uh David grush David 210 00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:38,339 grush 211 00:09:43,250 --> 00:09:41,040 um he's been out there we're gonna try 212 00:09:45,230 --> 00:09:43,260 to put together a timeline today and 213 00:09:46,970 --> 00:09:45,240 hopefully you can help me 214 00:09:50,150 --> 00:09:46,980 um understand in the audience too as 215 00:09:53,449 --> 00:09:50,160 well the grush story we're talking about 216 00:09:58,490 --> 00:09:53,459 Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal again 217 00:09:59,750 --> 00:09:58,500 um why why wait to put this story out it 218 00:10:03,829 --> 00:09:59,760 doesn't matter about the New York Times 219 00:10:06,530 --> 00:10:03,839 or anything else it just seems like uh 220 00:10:07,850 --> 00:10:06,540 it it it it was delayed for for quite a 221 00:10:09,650 --> 00:10:07,860 bit now 222 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:09,660 um let me just say one thing really 223 00:10:14,329 --> 00:10:12,240 quick for the audience and in case 224 00:10:15,470 --> 00:10:14,339 there's somebody out there that doesn't 225 00:10:19,550 --> 00:10:15,480 know 226 00:10:21,530 --> 00:10:19,560 Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal 227 00:10:23,210 --> 00:10:21,540 um and and and and and some others in 228 00:10:25,370 --> 00:10:23,220 the byline by the way it wasn't just 229 00:10:29,389 --> 00:10:25,380 those two uh doing the reporting but 230 00:10:31,210 --> 00:10:29,399 they back in December December 16th 17th 231 00:10:36,590 --> 00:10:31,220 of uh 2017 232 00:10:39,710 --> 00:10:36,600 broke the story that uh the UFO uh the 233 00:10:41,630 --> 00:10:39,720 Pentagon had a secret UFO program 234 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:41,640 um that was five and a half almost six 235 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:43,860 years ago now it's kind of hard to 236 00:10:50,750 --> 00:10:46,740 believe that that was passed but here we 237 00:10:54,050 --> 00:10:50,760 are Monday of this week Leslie Kane and 238 00:10:58,310 --> 00:10:54,060 Ralph Blumenthal again released this 239 00:11:00,590 --> 00:10:58,320 story and it was about what John 240 00:11:02,389 --> 00:11:00,600 well this week is the the UFO 241 00:11:07,190 --> 00:11:02,399 whistleblower story and the the 242 00:11:10,750 --> 00:11:07,200 emergence of of David grush and a 243 00:11:13,550 --> 00:11:10,760 explosive Claim about 244 00:11:17,030 --> 00:11:13,560 non-human craft that the the government 245 00:11:20,030 --> 00:11:17,040 is either in possession of as a whole uh 246 00:11:22,490 --> 00:11:20,040 and in part you know that there was uh 247 00:11:25,069 --> 00:11:22,500 essentially debris and material that 248 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:25,079 they have and he subsequently wasn't in 249 00:11:30,949 --> 00:11:27,600 the original article uh but this week 250 00:11:32,810 --> 00:11:30,959 news nation which is uh you know not a 251 00:11:35,090 --> 00:11:32,820 major major network but obviously 252 00:11:38,030 --> 00:11:35,100 getting a lot of press this week for 253 00:11:39,470 --> 00:11:38,040 having Ross coltar do a video interview 254 00:11:42,530 --> 00:11:39,480 from what I understand it's going to be 255 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:42,540 an hour special that airs this Sunday uh 256 00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:45,120 with the UFO whistleblower 257 00:11:51,310 --> 00:11:48,120 um now I I I don't know how much if any 258 00:11:54,710 --> 00:11:51,320 coordination there was between 259 00:11:56,690 --> 00:11:54,720 Leslie Ralph and and Ross that may have 260 00:11:59,090 --> 00:11:56,700 been in one of their articles slash 261 00:12:00,410 --> 00:11:59,100 videos that I may have missed I'm a 262 00:12:02,090 --> 00:12:00,420 little less interested in that I mean 263 00:12:03,650 --> 00:12:02,100 it's to me it's about the story and not 264 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:03,660 really about if they you know were 265 00:12:08,110 --> 00:12:06,060 working together to to to put this out 266 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:08,120 but the bottom line is the debrief 267 00:12:12,290 --> 00:12:10,740 published the story from Ralph and 268 00:12:14,389 --> 00:12:12,300 Leslie they were the two on the byline 269 00:12:16,730 --> 00:12:14,399 and then they had contributors that were 270 00:12:19,310 --> 00:12:16,740 listed at the bottom of the article 271 00:12:20,810 --> 00:12:19,320 um again I don't know exactly the the 272 00:12:22,730 --> 00:12:20,820 amount of contributions that each name 273 00:12:24,590 --> 00:12:22,740 did but it was just Ralph and Leslie on 274 00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:24,600 the byline and then you have Ross's 275 00:12:28,430 --> 00:12:27,120 contribution of the video interview that 276 00:12:29,810 --> 00:12:28,440 essentially is going to be airing on 277 00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:29,820 news Nation 278 00:12:32,810 --> 00:12:31,560 all of that kind of unfolded in the 279 00:12:34,370 --> 00:12:32,820 beginning of the week and then as the 280 00:12:36,350 --> 00:12:34,380 week progressed news nation has been 281 00:12:38,630 --> 00:12:36,360 obviously plugging their Sunday special 282 00:12:42,230 --> 00:12:38,640 a lot and running subsequent news 283 00:12:44,150 --> 00:12:42,240 stories that uh in In fairness to them 284 00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:44,160 have a balance you know like some are 285 00:12:48,769 --> 00:12:46,800 are very Pro this UFO whistleblower it 286 00:12:50,629 --> 00:12:48,779 seems and should they tease clips of 287 00:12:52,430 --> 00:12:50,639 what we're going to see on Sunday and 288 00:12:55,069 --> 00:12:52,440 then I saw yesterday that Mick West was 289 00:12:57,050 --> 00:12:55,079 on the network uh which I I very much 290 00:12:58,910 --> 00:12:57,060 respect Mick and and like him and 291 00:13:00,829 --> 00:12:58,920 consider him a friend we have great 292 00:13:03,110 --> 00:13:00,839 conversations and great debate also we 293 00:13:05,230 --> 00:13:03,120 don't see eye to eye on everything but 294 00:13:08,329 --> 00:13:05,240 with that being said it was very weird 295 00:13:11,509 --> 00:13:08,339 that a network while they are plugging 296 00:13:13,190 --> 00:13:11,519 an interview for Sunday are all art is 297 00:13:15,470 --> 00:13:13,200 teasing it that's not weird that's 298 00:13:17,569 --> 00:13:15,480 normal but then doing segments to 299 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:17,579 essentially debunk the whole concept 300 00:13:23,090 --> 00:13:21,300 before it even airs in full anyway which 301 00:13:24,889 --> 00:13:23,100 is weird to me and I posted it yesterday 302 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:24,899 and I think a lot of people didn't quite 303 00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:27,300 get and it's probably my fault I didn't 304 00:13:33,829 --> 00:13:29,279 explain it good enough but to me it's 305 00:13:37,009 --> 00:13:33,839 just are like I mean it's it hasn't 306 00:13:38,930 --> 00:13:37,019 aired in full so we can critique 307 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:38,940 um you know the the story I think either 308 00:13:41,990 --> 00:13:40,920 during the special or after if I was the 309 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:42,000 network 310 00:13:45,470 --> 00:13:43,920 um but regardless you know I I thought 311 00:13:47,629 --> 00:13:45,480 that that was kind of a weird tactic 312 00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:47,639 that they're kind of attacking their own 313 00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:50,160 reporting before the reporting is even 314 00:13:56,030 --> 00:13:53,519 complete so it it was just a weird kind 315 00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:56,040 of way to unfold but regardless I think 316 00:13:58,790 --> 00:13:57,360 it kind of fell flat with a lot of 317 00:14:02,090 --> 00:13:58,800 people yesterday and again that may have 318 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:02,100 just been uh me just not explaining it 319 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:04,620 good but it's been a weird week to see 320 00:14:08,810 --> 00:14:07,440 those things unfold and and as I 321 00:14:10,670 --> 00:14:08,820 mentioned earlier the debrief had 322 00:14:13,310 --> 00:14:10,680 published the article but when news 323 00:14:15,769 --> 00:14:13,320 Nation did their first story on it they 324 00:14:18,829 --> 00:14:15,779 played a clip that grush had had talked 325 00:14:21,829 --> 00:14:18,839 about what he called Dead pilots and 326 00:14:24,110 --> 00:14:21,839 those dead Pilots or bodies from these 327 00:14:26,569 --> 00:14:24,120 non-human Craft 328 00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:26,579 um that's a pretty explosive claim to 329 00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:30,720 make and so that in a nutshell is what 330 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:32,399 we are seeing this week but once you dig 331 00:14:37,550 --> 00:14:34,800 into it all of a sudden as with most 332 00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:37,560 stories when it comes to this genre they 333 00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:39,839 start to 334 00:14:44,509 --> 00:14:42,959 pose more questions than answers and and 335 00:14:46,670 --> 00:14:44,519 I think with this particular story 336 00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:46,680 there's quite a few big ones that I 337 00:14:50,329 --> 00:14:48,240 think we need to address here because 338 00:14:52,610 --> 00:14:50,339 here's the bottom line as you and I move 339 00:14:55,129 --> 00:14:52,620 forward with this show and and dissect 340 00:14:56,990 --> 00:14:55,139 some of that the bottom line is if his 341 00:14:59,449 --> 00:14:57,000 claims are true 342 00:15:02,449 --> 00:14:59,459 they change Humanity 343 00:15:04,610 --> 00:15:02,459 period I'm not exaggerating that that is 344 00:15:07,490 --> 00:15:04,620 true it replaces 345 00:15:10,069 --> 00:15:07,500 the entire human thought concept of 346 00:15:13,009 --> 00:15:10,079 where we are in the universe that alien 347 00:15:15,170 --> 00:15:13,019 life that that non as they determine I 348 00:15:16,370 --> 00:15:15,180 want to be fair here non-human but let's 349 00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:16,380 face it I mean I think that they're 350 00:15:21,530 --> 00:15:18,660 meaning alien with all of this and David 351 00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:21,540 grush even says we are not alone in his 352 00:15:24,170 --> 00:15:23,160 in his interview but I think they're 353 00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:24,180 Paving the way for some other 354 00:15:29,389 --> 00:15:26,399 intelligence which I think is I called 355 00:15:31,370 --> 00:15:29,399 it on my show wonky yesterday it's just 356 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:31,380 kind of like like say alien you know I 357 00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:33,420 mean if you if you won't want to say 358 00:15:36,530 --> 00:15:34,920 that there is another race of 359 00:15:38,689 --> 00:15:36,540 intelligence that live in our oceans 360 00:15:41,269 --> 00:15:38,699 then go there I'm not trying to be 361 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:41,279 facetious that much but I mean if that's 362 00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:42,959 really what you mean that there's some 363 00:15:46,430 --> 00:15:43,920 other 364 00:15:47,810 --> 00:15:46,440 meaning of non-human then go there 365 00:15:49,970 --> 00:15:47,820 you're the one with all the classified 366 00:15:52,430 --> 00:15:49,980 intelligence so you know Say What You 367 00:15:53,810 --> 00:15:52,440 Mean So I I'm I'm equating to all this 368 00:15:56,329 --> 00:15:53,820 is that they're saying that it's it's 369 00:15:58,250 --> 00:15:56,339 alien and especially with his quote of 370 00:15:59,930 --> 00:15:58,260 We Are Not Alone 371 00:16:01,610 --> 00:15:59,940 um that that that's exactly what it 372 00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:01,620 means but again it's it's just a little 373 00:16:06,829 --> 00:16:04,560 bit odd the the word choice but going 374 00:16:08,750 --> 00:16:06,839 back to my my caveat here before we 375 00:16:12,050 --> 00:16:08,760 unfold all the different facets of the 376 00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:12,060 story is that it changes Humanity so we 377 00:16:17,930 --> 00:16:14,399 need to kind of take a step back before 378 00:16:20,210 --> 00:16:17,940 we get excited and start to dissect this 379 00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:20,220 story for what it is and if it's true 380 00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:23,279 and the claims are solid then we've 381 00:16:28,189 --> 00:16:25,920 changed the planet uh and and and the 382 00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:28,199 story will stay true but I I think we're 383 00:16:31,730 --> 00:16:30,000 not at that point yet and I think the 384 00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:31,740 mainstream media for the most part has 385 00:16:36,129 --> 00:16:33,540 missed that and the copy and paste 386 00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:36,139 journalism is to blame 387 00:16:44,509 --> 00:16:41,880 we have to we have to ask questions 388 00:16:46,730 --> 00:16:44,519 with all of this you can't take any of 389 00:16:49,730 --> 00:16:46,740 this at face value you you cannot just 390 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:49,740 go it's it's it must be true 391 00:16:55,550 --> 00:16:53,160 um and that's it so and I totally I 392 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:55,560 totally get I come from 393 00:17:02,269 --> 00:16:59,279 more of Everything is Everything is BS 394 00:17:05,689 --> 00:17:02,279 and then you know I get pushed to the 395 00:17:09,309 --> 00:17:05,699 other side I try to stay on that side 396 00:17:14,030 --> 00:17:09,319 um or in the middle and remain objective 397 00:17:16,370 --> 00:17:14,040 in this case there is uh the in in the 398 00:17:18,650 --> 00:17:16,380 David grush case 399 00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:18,660 um there are things that kind of 400 00:17:24,169 --> 00:17:20,880 automatically push me 401 00:17:29,150 --> 00:17:24,179 further than I'm comfortable with uh to 402 00:17:32,650 --> 00:17:29,160 the this may not be BS side and and that 403 00:17:34,270 --> 00:17:32,660 for me first off government 404 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:34,280 employee 405 00:17:40,970 --> 00:17:38,280 decorated veteran uh member of the UAP 406 00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:40,980 task force 407 00:17:45,529 --> 00:17:43,200 um access to 408 00:17:47,450 --> 00:17:45,539 um and you know he's got a security 409 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:47,460 clearance 410 00:17:54,830 --> 00:17:50,880 um he's a single individual that 411 00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:54,840 um has now put himself out there opening 412 00:18:00,830 --> 00:17:59,400 himself up to a very harsh life if he's 413 00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:00,840 bullshitting 414 00:18:09,230 --> 00:18:05,280 right I mean that's um so and then on 415 00:18:12,289 --> 00:18:09,240 top of all of that we have the IG and 416 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:12,299 he's lawyered up and apparently again 417 00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:14,400 I'm not a lawyer and I'm not part of the 418 00:18:19,630 --> 00:18:15,600 inside 419 00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:19,640 but he has sworn to these statements 420 00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:22,679 and uh and we've got Congress and 421 00:18:28,490 --> 00:18:25,440 Capitol Hill involved these are the 422 00:18:30,529 --> 00:18:28,500 things for me that push this a little 423 00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,539 bit farther than even I'm comfortable 424 00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:33,120 with where I go well wait a minute here 425 00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:37,140 why would this guy do this to himself 426 00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:39,360 have you asked yourself those same 427 00:18:43,130 --> 00:18:40,740 questions 428 00:18:46,669 --> 00:18:43,140 all the time when stories like this come 429 00:18:48,289 --> 00:18:46,679 out and and grushes no exception uh you 430 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,299 know why would you do it 431 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:50,400 and and one of the things that I think 432 00:18:55,549 --> 00:18:53,760 that is a big misconception and and I 433 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:55,559 see this a lot I call them my haters you 434 00:18:59,390 --> 00:18:57,480 know it's it's the fan club that loves 435 00:19:00,890 --> 00:18:59,400 me but they don't realize it yet and 436 00:19:02,510 --> 00:19:00,900 they're always on social media and 437 00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:02,520 they're always attacking me when I 438 00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:04,620 breathe the wrong way or sneeze or 439 00:19:09,529 --> 00:19:06,900 whatever I do they're right there to say 440 00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:09,539 greenwald's wrong and in this particular 441 00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:12,240 case the moment that you question 442 00:19:17,090 --> 00:19:15,240 somebody with credentials or with 443 00:19:20,210 --> 00:19:17,100 decorations 444 00:19:22,430 --> 00:19:20,220 the misconception is you immediately are 445 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:22,440 calling them a liar that you're 446 00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,380 immediately disrespecting that person 447 00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:28,080 and and this is my response to that that 448 00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:30,000 is not necessarily true because when 449 00:19:33,529 --> 00:19:32,460 when you dig into the claims of David 450 00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:33,539 grush 451 00:19:38,990 --> 00:19:36,480 and you see what he's bringing forward 452 00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,000 he is bringing forward his experience 453 00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:42,000 talking to other people which are the 454 00:19:46,490 --> 00:19:43,860 ones that were involved in these 455 00:19:49,070 --> 00:19:46,500 programs that bring along with it 456 00:19:51,950 --> 00:19:49,080 according to him classified knowledge 457 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:51,960 about these non-human craft and alien 458 00:19:58,010 --> 00:19:55,260 bodies and so on so 459 00:20:00,289 --> 00:19:58,020 he's getting it from other people he 460 00:20:03,650 --> 00:20:00,299 wasn't there we'll pull in the story of 461 00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:03,660 Bob Lazar as a kind of a juxtaposition 462 00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,360 here where Bob Lazar claimed he was 463 00:20:10,850 --> 00:20:08,640 actually there that he worked on the 464 00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:10,860 programs that he was reverse engineering 465 00:20:15,529 --> 00:20:13,020 the craft right that to me is a 466 00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,539 whistleblower I don't buy lazar's story 467 00:20:20,210 --> 00:20:17,280 but that's a different show in itself 468 00:20:22,130 --> 00:20:20,220 but using that as a comparison that's 469 00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:22,140 more of the Whistleblower that they are 470 00:20:28,490 --> 00:20:25,440 claiming that first-hand experience that 471 00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:28,500 they touched felt worked on and 472 00:20:33,049 --> 00:20:31,200 understood the alien technology that's 473 00:20:34,490 --> 00:20:33,059 not what we have with David grush now 474 00:20:37,010 --> 00:20:34,500 that's not to take away from what he's 475 00:20:38,930 --> 00:20:37,020 doing or saying nor is it disrespect but 476 00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:38,940 that's putting what his claims are into 477 00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,240 perspective now going back to the 478 00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:44,400 misconception of your brandishing him a 479 00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:47,400 liar if you question him well what if he 480 00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:48,720 is misled 481 00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:51,600 what if what if those people are playing 482 00:20:56,930 --> 00:20:54,559 him I get it from what we're told anyway 483 00:20:58,730 --> 00:20:56,940 I'd like to see a little bit more proof 484 00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:58,740 but what we're told is they are going to 485 00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:00,840 Congress too and some have given under 486 00:21:05,930 --> 00:21:03,240 oath statements great I hope that we 487 00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:05,940 meet them one day and I hope we can see 488 00:21:11,570 --> 00:21:08,100 who they are because those are the 489 00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,580 people that I think need to be out there 490 00:21:16,909 --> 00:21:14,400 stating what their claims really are to 491 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:16,919 have a conduit like David grush that's 492 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:19,080 putting him in a seriously awkward 493 00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:22,200 position because he may be convinced 494 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:25,440 that the stories are true he can swear 495 00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:28,080 under oath with no repercussion because 496 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,679 he is conveying what was told to him but 497 00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:33,360 how do we know that he's not being 498 00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:35,700 played now those that want to believe 499 00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:38,760 this story outright and and say look you 500 00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:41,400 know decorated intelligence officer how 501 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:43,740 could people play him well I'm sorry you 502 00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:46,500 look at the the documented history with 503 00:21:51,409 --> 00:21:49,140 evidence of a cover-up that stretches 504 00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,419 back decades and decades that's not 505 00:21:55,789 --> 00:21:53,520 conspiracy talk you look at the evidence 506 00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:55,799 I've got thousands of pages that I'll 507 00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:57,919 bore anybody with for hours upon hours 508 00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,020 showing they have a massive cover-up on 509 00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:03,360 this and they will do things to not only 510 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,600 obfuscate the truth but lie to the 511 00:22:10,669 --> 00:22:08,640 general public in the process they've 512 00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:10,679 done it before on this topic and they 513 00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:12,840 will do it again they skewed a 514 00:22:18,049 --> 00:22:15,480 scientific effort in 1952 with the 515 00:22:20,210 --> 00:22:18,059 Robertson panel skewing a scientific 516 00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:20,220 effort known as Project Blue Book to 517 00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:22,740 look into UFOs because they wanted to 518 00:22:27,049 --> 00:22:25,080 explain it they knew what the threat was 519 00:22:30,169 --> 00:22:27,059 they were afraid of us the general 520 00:22:32,510 --> 00:22:30,179 public and so that Robertson panel in a 521 00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:32,520 nutshell essentially said hey you guys 522 00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,740 got to start doing explaining here let's 523 00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,720 let's kind of like wave goodbye to 524 00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:38,640 investigation but let's do an 525 00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:41,460 explanation and you see that through the 526 00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:43,500 eyes of the the true scientist on board 527 00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:47,460 J Allen heineck who shifted over time as 528 00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:49,500 he saw more and more evidence so when 529 00:22:52,669 --> 00:22:50,700 you look at those stories you realize 530 00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,679 the government will go to Great Lengths 531 00:22:57,049 --> 00:22:54,960 to cover this up there are people that 532 00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:57,059 muddy The Waters from the inside we know 533 00:23:03,289 --> 00:22:57,900 that 534 00:23:06,169 --> 00:23:03,299 done and and David grush is being played 535 00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:06,179 and I think until we don't sorry go 536 00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:09,200 ahead but played by who 537 00:23:16,669 --> 00:23:11,780 the question Jimmy if we don't know 538 00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:16,679 played by who and and why because 539 00:23:20,890 --> 00:23:19,679 um that means Leslie and Ralph are being 540 00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,900 played 541 00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:22,880 and 542 00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:26,820 hold on hold on you know I know that 543 00:23:32,350 --> 00:23:28,740 we're talking about David here but 544 00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,360 Leslie has also cited this Colonel now 545 00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:34,799 uh we've got when I think it's a 546 00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:38,520 pseudonym of uh Jonathan gray 547 00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:41,820 um and so uh and Leslie has gone on the 548 00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:43,620 record saying look 549 00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:47,220 um I don't necessarily need photographs 550 00:23:54,049 --> 00:23:51,299 or videos I'm being told the exact same 551 00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:54,059 story from multiple sources of people 552 00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:55,620 that I know and trust 553 00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:58,799 so is that the other part of this 554 00:24:04,190 --> 00:24:00,600 article 555 00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:04,200 um by by Kane and Blumenthal that also 556 00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:07,740 needs to does that hold equal weight you 557 00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:10,020 know to have this Jonathan gray with his 558 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,740 quote and Colonel Nell uh with his quote 559 00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:15,840 in this article and think and Chris 560 00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:18,059 Mellon of course too is is mentioned in 561 00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:19,500 there as well 562 00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:21,480 yeah and one thing and I didn't mean to 563 00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:22,980 step on you but one thing I wanted to 564 00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:26,400 make sure I made clear is that when we 565 00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:28,380 talk about Cain and Blumenthal being 566 00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:31,919 played it it may just not be a malicious 567 00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:34,740 being played because grush believes what 568 00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,900 he is being told 569 00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:39,000 um but again if if and and I'm not 570 00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:41,220 trying to sound conspiratorial here but 571 00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:43,020 there's a documented history of 572 00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:46,020 obfuscation and lies and I also believe 573 00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:48,179 that we are in an era where the 574 00:24:54,010 --> 00:24:50,220 counterintelligence value of the UAP 575 00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:54,020 conversation is huge I believe that that 576 00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:57,480 counterintelligence value is used to 577 00:25:01,970 --> 00:24:59,580 cover up true unknowns I believe that 578 00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:01,980 there is a small percentage of true 579 00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,500 unknowns here that we have no idea what 580 00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,960 it is it covers up what we do and don't 581 00:25:12,409 --> 00:25:09,360 know about our our you know enemies 582 00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:12,419 abroad and what they may have and it is 583 00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:15,240 used to cover up our own classified 584 00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:18,059 technology so that counterintelligence 585 00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:21,600 value is gold so yes we shouldn't with 586 00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:23,640 this history of obfuscation and lies 587 00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:25,620 stretching back more than a half a 588 00:25:31,370 --> 00:25:28,620 century we should not put it past 589 00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,380 a a 590 00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,600 we'll call it a campaign as the wrong 591 00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,240 word but an effort to get these types of 592 00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:37,919 stories out there to muddy the waters 593 00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,299 even more 594 00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:41,039 right I mean again it sounds like 595 00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:43,620 conspiracy talk but I'm sorry the same 596 00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:47,880 people that are chastising me for uh for 597 00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,100 bringing that possibility up and I mean 598 00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:53,039 this the same people are also saying 599 00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:55,320 that I am being played by a massive 600 00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:58,200 conspiracy that involves the creation of 601 00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:59,940 government documents to throw me off 602 00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:01,520 through the Freedom of Information Act 603 00:26:08,750 --> 00:26:05,940 and the use of DOD spokespeople and 604 00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:08,760 using the blackvault.com as the conduit 605 00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:12,299 for a misinformation campaign now I 606 00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:14,700 laugh at that because it's not true but 607 00:26:19,310 --> 00:26:17,400 if the same crowd is chastising me for 608 00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,320 saying hey maybe grush is being played 609 00:26:22,669 --> 00:26:21,120 but in the same breath they'll say 610 00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,679 greenwald's the conduit working with the 611 00:26:27,409 --> 00:26:25,200 US government in a massive conspiracy to 612 00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:27,419 misinform and disinform all of us on the 613 00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:29,820 UAP topic none of that really makes 614 00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,340 sense so if you if you want to deal with 615 00:26:36,649 --> 00:26:34,320 one of those possibilities you got to 616 00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:36,659 deal with it all now the second part of 617 00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,340 your question about the other quotations 618 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,039 of course course Colonel Nell Colonel I 619 00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:43,200 believe now coming coming forward 620 00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,020 absolutely all of that plays a role I 621 00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:48,960 mean is his character support you know 622 00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,500 about uh uh about Russia's character and 623 00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:54,480 and who he is as a person that he's not 624 00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:56,340 like some malicious liar or anything 625 00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:59,400 like that all of that is is great not so 626 00:27:03,769 --> 00:27:01,380 much of of a fan of the Jonathan gray 627 00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:03,779 part I had missed it on my first read 628 00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:05,100 through of the article that's a 629 00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,799 pseudonym it wasn't really clear until 630 00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:09,919 later in the article that that's his 631 00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:12,900 Insider nickname that he uses at nasic 632 00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:16,080 uh which you know is is great but now 633 00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,419 he's identified himself to anybody that 634 00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:21,120 has a clearance so I'm not entirely sure 635 00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,220 how to think about that but if that is 636 00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:26,159 his internal nickname that he's or 637 00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:28,500 pseudonym that he's using there he's 638 00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:30,360 kind of outed himself to anybody that's 639 00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:31,860 looking at this so I'm not sure what his 640 00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:33,659 concern is for having the public know 641 00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:35,820 who he is but regardless uh that's 642 00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:38,039 that's the third essential voice 643 00:27:42,409 --> 00:27:40,020 essentially voice that's that's in that 644 00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,419 article yes Chris Mellon is is in there 645 00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:44,880 as well but I I kind of focused in on 646 00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:47,460 those three new names 647 00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:48,720 um because just to throw a quick 648 00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:51,600 positive note out there it was pretty 649 00:27:55,789 --> 00:27:54,120 cool to see how you know grush's 650 00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,799 involvement with the national 651 00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:57,600 reconnaissance office during the UAP 652 00:28:03,289 --> 00:27:59,880 task force and then obviously Colonel 653 00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,299 Nell through the Army and his uh leading 654 00:28:07,730 --> 00:28:04,980 kind of being the liaison between the 655 00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:07,740 Army and the UAP task force to me those 656 00:28:12,350 --> 00:28:09,960 are awesome contributions to this 657 00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,360 conversation by itself because that 658 00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:14,940 gives me lines to draw from in future 659 00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:16,980 foia requests names that I didn't know 660 00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,460 last Sunday but come Monday all of a 661 00:28:24,769 --> 00:28:22,740 sudden those were revealed so so those 662 00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,779 are great tidbits from this article 663 00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,460 whether or not Russia's claims are true 664 00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:28,080 or not so 665 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:30,120 to end that thought on your question 666 00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:32,220 yeah they're it's incredibly important 667 00:28:35,870 --> 00:28:34,500 to see those names and additional pieces 668 00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:35,880 of the puzzle because for someone like 669 00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:38,940 me who digs in on every little character 670 00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,299 of every little word it's going to pave 671 00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:44,340 the way for quite a few new foia 672 00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:46,260 requests and spoiler alert it already 673 00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:47,220 has 674 00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:49,080 have you 675 00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,059 um in your timeline 676 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,799 um I'm very interested in this part 677 00:28:57,169 --> 00:28:55,200 because I'm a little confused about this 678 00:29:01,690 --> 00:28:57,179 yeah 679 00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:01,700 um Ross's interview with grush 680 00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:05,039 when did that take place 681 00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:06,539 sadly I'm not going to be able to answer 682 00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:08,400 that for you at least off the top of my 683 00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:10,260 head I am not sure if Ross has posted 684 00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:15,260 that okay I I it's my now again 685 00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:18,120 Sue me what whatever if I've got this 686 00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:18,899 wrong 687 00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:22,460 I think it took place months ago 688 00:29:28,750 --> 00:29:26,399 and I I don't I don't know you know what 689 00:29:33,070 --> 00:29:28,760 came first the chicken or the egg right 690 00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:33,080 so did Ross's interview 691 00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,620 uh uh influence the article or did the 692 00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:39,840 article come out and then did Ross 693 00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:41,880 somehow magically 694 00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:45,299 sit down with David grush like this week 695 00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:48,960 yeah and I that that 696 00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,860 um has a lot to do with the timing of 697 00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:55,679 all of this and I'm very curious I I 698 00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:00,419 respect uh Ross so much but 699 00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:03,179 um and I love his style and from what I 700 00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,179 have seen so far of this interview he 701 00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:08,460 doesn't play are you lying to me I love 702 00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:12,240 that question it's well that was man 703 00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:17,940 um is uh uh the the information that was 704 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,620 in the article didn't seem like uh Ross 705 00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:24,720 had access to that 706 00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,320 um so I don't I don't know yeah and this 707 00:30:32,029 --> 00:30:30,000 is where it gets a little bit uh weird 708 00:30:33,649 --> 00:30:32,039 so I no I don't know the date and and 709 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:33,659 again maybe your listeners right now 710 00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:37,679 watching they they know I I try to keep 711 00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:39,419 up on every single faster but as you 712 00:30:46,130 --> 00:30:43,740 know things go so fast in UFO land from 713 00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:46,140 tweets and articles and videos and 714 00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,059 podcasts and there's just not enough 715 00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:50,159 hours in the day I mean I've got a 100 716 00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:54,720 unrelated job uh that that takes a lot 717 00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,419 of hours of my week on top of you know 718 00:31:01,730 --> 00:30:59,039 just trying to run the The Black Vault 719 00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:01,740 for fun and keep everybody informed so 720 00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,260 it's hard to keep up so that said I that 721 00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,000 that date may be out there but what's 722 00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:08,880 interesting to me is what I do know is 723 00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,220 went out there was a coordinated 724 00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:12,960 statement it was essentially a copy and 725 00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:15,539 pasted message that was posted by Leslie 726 00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,299 Kane on Facebook and Ralph Blumenthal on 727 00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:21,360 Twitter uh essentially stating that and 728 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,740 I'm paraphrasing it pull it up if you 729 00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:24,480 want me to read it but paraphrasing 730 00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:27,419 stating that the Washington Post did not 731 00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,700 turn down their article so they wanted 732 00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:31,799 it known about the Washington Post more 733 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:34,620 than all others I'm guessing just 734 00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,600 because it had kind of become such a 735 00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,399 rumor that that Washington Post was 736 00:31:42,169 --> 00:31:40,799 going to be doing a big UFO story 737 00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:42,179 potentially dealing with crass 738 00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:43,799 retrievals so that's probably why they 739 00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:45,539 spoke directly to that they said that 740 00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,720 they didn't turn the story down but 741 00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:51,840 rather was taking too long and that they 742 00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:53,820 were getting pressured to put this thing 743 00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:56,580 out and then got in contact with the 744 00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:58,919 debrief and then they they published it 745 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,140 there yeah 746 00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,600 okay this is where I step on you I'm 747 00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:06,240 sorry I apologize 748 00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:09,720 um I know everybody at the debris has as 749 00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,980 do you 750 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:12,960 um and I've worked with a few of them 751 00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,440 directly over the years and it's a 752 00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:19,440 streamlined organization so if you've 753 00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:23,700 got something that uh the the editorial 754 00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,899 process uh to get something published 755 00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,000 um Can Happen fairly quickly at the 756 00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:33,600 debrief where as uh you know Washington 757 00:32:38,029 --> 00:32:35,580 Post or the New York Times and you're 758 00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,039 dealing with news directors and and a 759 00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:41,279 lawyer team and everything else that you 760 00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:44,340 have to to go through I understand that 761 00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,460 process I don't think that the New York 762 00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:49,679 Times I could be wrong and the 763 00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:51,600 Washington Post passed on this because 764 00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:53,940 that that they thought that the story 765 00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:58,799 was bogus I I I'm not uh I'm not suggest 766 00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:00,600 that's not what you're saying but what I 767 00:33:07,389 --> 00:33:04,020 am suggesting here is that the choice of 768 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,399 the debrief for me makes a lot of sense 769 00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:10,080 you could just go in there here it is 770 00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:13,679 Boom they're very smart people Micah and 771 00:33:18,889 --> 00:33:16,620 Tim and the team go through this and and 772 00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:18,899 and vet and do what they have to do uh 773 00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:21,840 to get the story published what I'm more 774 00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,019 surprised about is how long it's taken 775 00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:27,360 for the rest of the media to pick up on 776 00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:28,980 this story 777 00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:31,500 um in a positive or negative light it it 778 00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,880 seems now it's it's it's catching on but 779 00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:37,740 this should have been headline news like 780 00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,140 you said the biggest news in in the 781 00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:42,480 history of mankind this should have been 782 00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,000 all over the place by Monday night 783 00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:48,240 I mean In fairness I think it was uh you 784 00:33:51,289 --> 00:33:50,039 know maybe not by Monday night but come 785 00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:51,299 Tuesday especially when it went on 786 00:33:55,610 --> 00:33:53,580 Drudge Report and and compliments for 787 00:33:57,769 --> 00:33:55,620 debrief that's the I watched I talk 788 00:33:59,389 --> 00:33:57,779 about the Drudge Report a lot I know 789 00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,399 that uh depending upon your political 790 00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,860 views uh you may or may not like that 791 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:03,600 website but for me it's it's not about 792 00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,820 the politics it that is a coveted spot 793 00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:08,399 to be in in media and since UFOs are 794 00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:12,200 largely uh nonpartisan or bipartisan 795 00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:15,540 largely sometimes uh generally you will 796 00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:17,940 see those stories pop up on Drudge 797 00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,580 Report and it and for me I watch those 798 00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,320 types of news stories it gives me foia 799 00:34:28,129 --> 00:34:25,440 ideas well away from the UFO stuff gives 800 00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:28,139 me foia ideas for other uh types of of 801 00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:29,700 stories that are breaking stuff like 802 00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:31,619 that but when it comes to UFOs that's 803 00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:33,540 that's an awesome spot to be in because 804 00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:35,879 it doesn't run UFO stories all the time 805 00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,280 and debrief got their column one or 806 00:34:42,589 --> 00:34:41,040 excuse me column three position one so 807 00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:42,599 once that happened it was all over the 808 00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:43,800 place so maybe not Monday night but 809 00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:46,859 Tuesday it really started going Hog Wild 810 00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:49,560 and then as the the week progressed you 811 00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,379 saw quite a bit more there I think is 812 00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:55,200 going to be a interesting story unfold 813 00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:58,020 on why Washington Post was taking so 814 00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:00,660 long and Vanity Fair published an 815 00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:02,760 article earlier this morning which 816 00:35:07,310 --> 00:35:04,680 essentially focused Less on Russia's 817 00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:07,320 claims more on why didn't the New York 818 00:35:14,329 --> 00:35:11,220 Times cover this they are said to have 819 00:35:17,089 --> 00:35:14,339 said no and passed on it that was in the 820 00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:17,099 Vanity Fair well but did not submit an 821 00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,500 official comment to to Vanity Fair about 822 00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:21,359 that so it was said that New York Times 823 00:35:25,849 --> 00:35:22,680 passed it up 824 00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,859 Washington Post was in the process of 825 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:28,560 vetting it so I think that this is an 826 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,140 interesting aspect to the story because 827 00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:32,640 um based on what you just said and you 828 00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,980 think debrief is a prime spot for it I 829 00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:37,200 know those guys as well this is not 830 00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:39,000 supposed to be offensive whatsoever I'm 831 00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:41,220 sure it'll come off as that but I think 832 00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:44,339 a story of this magnitude should have 833 00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:48,540 been in a uh we'll call it Big you know 834 00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:51,000 bigger Masthead and and I want to I want 835 00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:52,619 to be really clear here that that's not 836 00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:55,020 meant to be disrespectful if grush came 837 00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:58,079 to me I would say the same thing I have 838 00:36:02,030 --> 00:35:59,940 seen stories over the years that yes 839 00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:02,040 people have come to me not actually UFO 840 00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:05,160 related but that's not what my site is 841 00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:06,480 about you know when you talk about 842 00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:08,579 whistleblower claims that can change 843 00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:11,460 Humanity I think that that should be 844 00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:13,500 something with a Masthead that has a 845 00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:18,119 well-established uh vetting process uh I 846 00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:20,700 won't say exactly who but I think a 847 00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:22,760 major organization 848 00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,260 was probably a better fit for such a 849 00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,420 magnitude yeah but and I just want to 850 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:29,520 say one last thing though that is not 851 00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:31,800 meant to be disrespectful I don't really 852 00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,780 like those guys and that's not what I 853 00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,760 mean those guys are too cool and they 854 00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:38,160 know exactly their position in all of 855 00:36:43,329 --> 00:36:40,200 this and they know 856 00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:43,339 Christmas came early all right 857 00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:46,920 they're very thankful for that but but 858 00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,820 you you said something uh that Leslie 859 00:36:56,930 --> 00:36:53,040 mentioned or maybe it was Ralph doesn't 860 00:36:58,569 --> 00:36:56,940 matter the word pressure yeah who who 861 00:37:03,230 --> 00:36:58,579 who 862 00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,240 pressures Leslie Kane I I want to know 863 00:37:09,170 --> 00:37:05,280 who that person is because that person 864 00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:09,180 has NAD who who pressures Ralph 865 00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:10,560 Blumenthal 866 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,320 I I don't why use that word and and and 867 00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,240 who do you think was applying that 868 00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:20,400 pressure I know you thought about this a 869 00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:24,060 lot I did yeah yeah yeah and and when I 870 00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:28,260 broadcast my video and and started it I 871 00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,119 had kind of let off with those tweets 872 00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:33,359 because when I had recorded it that was 873 00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:35,220 just unfolding they had posted it I 874 00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:36,960 posted out going well who's pressuring 875 00:37:43,010 --> 00:37:40,680 them now after I recorded my video they 876 00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:43,020 had dropped a video interview they did 877 00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:46,680 with Chrissy Newton from the debrief and 878 00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:48,900 uh let me say I mean she did a great job 879 00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:51,180 she had great questions 880 00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:53,160 um I don't say that often I wrote her 881 00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,480 actually I hope she doesn't mind me 882 00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:55,440 saying it but I mean I wrote her 883 00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:56,760 privately and complimented her I was 884 00:38:00,829 --> 00:37:58,200 like hey you asked some really good 885 00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,839 questions I I imagined just very much a 886 00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,400 kind of a 887 00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:05,040 um more of a softball interview and 888 00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,839 again also not meant to be disrespectful 889 00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:08,640 but they were just essentially plugging 890 00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:11,099 their own outfits articles so I didn't 891 00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:13,079 expect some harder questions and Chrissy 892 00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:15,000 was really good I mean she asked 893 00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:16,680 specifically about who was pressuring 894 00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:20,280 asked about David grush's kind of lack 895 00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:21,780 of evidence coming forward even called 896 00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,020 it hearsay and you can see Leslie Kane's 897 00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:27,839 reaction to the word being said as 898 00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:30,359 hearsay saying wait wait a minute and 899 00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,040 she kind of corrected it when I feel 900 00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:34,320 Chrissy was was spot on to ask it that 901 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:36,180 way but in this interview they talked to 902 00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:37,980 the pressure and apparently the way 903 00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:40,440 Leslie Kane described it was that things 904 00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:42,660 were starting to leak David grush's name 905 00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,940 was actually said by Danny Sheehan who I 906 00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:47,040 know that you're friends with Danny 907 00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:48,920 Sheehan had said it in an interview 908 00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:51,780 where he named a couple names and and 909 00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,940 and said David grush and everybody was 910 00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:56,400 like wait what and 911 00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:59,579 um I really didn't think much of it uh 912 00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:00,900 at the time but I know a couple other 913 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:03,060 people looked into it like hey who is 914 00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:06,020 this guy well apparently based on that 915 00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:09,960 uh there were according to Leslie Kane 916 00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:13,200 phone phone calls and then there was 917 00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:15,960 other banter about an FBI raid which 918 00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:18,200 doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever 919 00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,240 and then uh on top of that they were 920 00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,040 afraid that they would essentially get 921 00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:25,680 scooped which is understandable and then 922 00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:27,480 on top of all that they were afraid that 923 00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:30,060 they would before they even published 924 00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:33,900 would have somebody attack David grush 925 00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:36,420 in an attack piece and hurt his 926 00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:38,339 credibility before he ever really got 927 00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:40,500 out there I have my doubts on that but 928 00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:42,359 again and that's very paraphrased but 929 00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:45,240 that was from her interview so the 930 00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:47,460 culmination of that apparently was the 931 00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,339 pressure that to safeguard him because 932 00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:52,800 they wanted to protect him they wanted 933 00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:55,800 to rush this out and and get it printed 934 00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:57,900 so Washington Post is still going 935 00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,180 through their vetting process and they 936 00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:01,680 essentially fast tracked it and went to 937 00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:04,920 the debrief in that process my biggest 938 00:40:10,810 --> 00:40:08,099 question is was something sacrificed 939 00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:10,820 when it comes to the accuracy or vet 940 00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,980 process and I don't know if you want to 941 00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:15,660 get into this now but I think that the 942 00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:19,500 bodies the talk of the bodies is a prime 943 00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:21,660 example to support that 944 00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:23,220 how so 945 00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,280 in the interview with Chrissy Newton it 946 00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:29,280 had then aired on news nation that David 947 00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,040 grush was talking about dead pilots and 948 00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:35,520 bodies and again compliments to her she 949 00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:36,960 brought it up she's like wow this is 950 00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:40,020 like an explosive thing to say what what 951 00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:42,420 essentially what did you guys think and 952 00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:45,420 Leslie Kane was first to chime in and 953 00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:47,940 she says uh we don't want to talk about 954 00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:51,000 that that David grush apparently never 955 00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:54,960 mentioned or talked about that with them 956 00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,579 and uh even if he did they would not 957 00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:01,680 publish it 958 00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:05,579 now to me that is incredibly concerning 959 00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:10,260 to hear well okay now that's why it's 960 00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,060 important 961 00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:14,880 to get the timeline together when Ross 962 00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:16,760 did his interview 963 00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:21,480 versus uh what stage of things Leslie 964 00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:24,960 and Ralph were in with their article not 965 00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:26,760 only the publishing date which is June 966 00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:28,140 5th we understand that that was on 967 00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:31,140 Monday but the information gathered 968 00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:35,339 because clearly grush says you say news 969 00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:38,760 Nation let's go with Ross okay because 970 00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:43,500 this was handed off to news Nation 971 00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,200 um at Ross's interview 972 00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:48,960 um he says David grosh I'm paraphrasing 973 00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:51,839 he goes well of course you know if 974 00:41:56,750 --> 00:41:55,020 you've got craft like this some of them 975 00:41:59,930 --> 00:41:56,760 you would assume 976 00:42:01,810 --> 00:41:59,940 have Pilots right I mean that's that's 977 00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:01,820 what he says in the interview 978 00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,880 so did Leslie what what came first did 979 00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,119 the interview happen after Leslie and 980 00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:12,240 Ralph finished the story and they were 981 00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:14,220 not aware of this or was it the other 982 00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:16,740 way around so if you're okay so and 983 00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:19,740 that's again timeline is absolutely 984 00:42:23,329 --> 00:42:21,900 important I'm huge on timelines in fact 985 00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:23,339 I wrote down a bunch of chicken scratch 986 00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:24,780 to make sure that I keep everything 987 00:42:31,849 --> 00:42:28,740 straight here on your show so I not sure 988 00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:31,859 about Ross's date and also not sure like 989 00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:33,780 when when Leslie and Ralph started 990 00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:36,300 looking into this whistleblower but 991 00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:38,820 regardless of not knowing that timeline 992 00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:41,220 here's my concern if you're a 993 00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:42,720 whistleblower coming out with this 994 00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:44,940 information the fact that you have 995 00:42:50,329 --> 00:42:47,940 non-human craft as they called it and 996 00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:50,339 intact craft in the possession of the 997 00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:51,240 government 998 00:42:55,849 --> 00:42:53,339 that information is coming from again 999 00:42:59,809 --> 00:42:55,859 those confidential 1000 00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,819 um sources with classified information 1001 00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:01,680 on their end 1002 00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,660 the bodies are going to come from there 1003 00:43:09,730 --> 00:43:06,480 as well essentially meaning that it all 1004 00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:09,740 has the same weight yes of credibility 1005 00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,599 how much weight that is but still you 1006 00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:14,160 know still to be seen but it still has 1007 00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:16,260 the same weight so my whole point is is 1008 00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:19,500 that it doesn't matter if Leslie's or 1009 00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:22,440 Ralph specifically or directly asked 1010 00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,160 asked Rush hey were there bodies you 1011 00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:28,079 would think that the Whistleblower 1012 00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:31,560 aiming to get his story out would give 1013 00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,220 that story non-human craft intact craft 1014 00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:37,200 debris and and so on in possession of 1015 00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:39,900 the US government and bodies that is the 1016 00:43:46,970 --> 00:43:43,319 most explosive part of that craziest 1017 00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:46,980 part now okay so and but this is this is 1018 00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,680 where I'm going with this John and I'm 1019 00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:51,680 very confused 1020 00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:54,359 he says now I'm just trying to be 1021 00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:57,780 logical just logic 1022 00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,099 he says that he provided the IG in his 1023 00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:05,520 complaint all of the supporting evidence 1024 00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:09,720 for this bodies and craft that's what he 1025 00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:13,380 says any any lawyered up now are are we 1026 00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:18,599 to assume that Leslie and Ralph and 1027 00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:21,720 maybe even Ross haven't seen copies of 1028 00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:23,819 this complaint is this complaint under 1029 00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:27,599 seal I I would doubt that well it's 1030 00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:29,339 unclassified and they said that they saw 1031 00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:33,240 it because they they had our bodies 1032 00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,319 mentioned to the IG either IG because 1033 00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,640 apparently there's two involved 1034 00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:43,200 150 percent awesome question that I'd 1035 00:44:48,430 --> 00:44:45,000 love to get answered and I reached out 1036 00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:48,440 to Leslie and Ralph to ask directly 1037 00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:52,020 about not only that but a couple of 1038 00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:53,579 other things but I didn't list my 1039 00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:55,260 questions yet I reached out I introduced 1040 00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,960 myself I said I'm I'm not interested in 1041 00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,760 you know trying to make anybody look bad 1042 00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:01,440 I said I just think that there's a short 1043 00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,960 list of questions uh that I would love 1044 00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:05,520 to to see if you guys would do an 1045 00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:07,619 interview for and Ralph was the only one 1046 00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:09,660 that responded and let me stress he was 1047 00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:11,880 very professional very nice uh very 1048 00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:15,240 cordial there was no no nothing bad uh 1049 00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:16,680 said he would get back to me the next 1050 00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:19,460 day uh which he did and turned it down 1051 00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:22,260 uh they just didn't have time which is 1052 00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,819 fine nobody owes me anything I'm a 1053 00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:26,160 nobody that's all good so I wrote back 1054 00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:28,440 and I said hey you know I totally 1055 00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:31,619 understand would you mind if I emailed 1056 00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:34,380 some questions and I said I'll work very 1057 00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:36,060 hard not to ask you anything that you've 1058 00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:37,560 already answered you know in a podcast 1059 00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:40,680 or or the the the debrief uh interview 1060 00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:43,079 that you did I said so to minimize your 1061 00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:44,520 time I I said I just think that there's 1062 00:45:48,589 --> 00:45:47,099 some hopefully not not 1063 00:45:49,849 --> 00:45:48,599 um questions that you can't answer 1064 00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:49,859 meaning I don't want to waste your time 1065 00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:51,540 with stuff that you know is trying to 1066 00:45:54,109 --> 00:45:52,859 reveal a source or something like that 1067 00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:54,119 like that's not where I was going with 1068 00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:55,079 it 1069 00:45:58,609 --> 00:45:57,000 um but asked would that be okay and he 1070 00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:58,619 wrote back and essentially he said no 1071 00:46:03,770 --> 00:45:59,940 that won't work either 1072 00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,780 so for me that that makes figuring out 1073 00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:05,520 some of these questions very very hard 1074 00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:07,560 when they say that they saw the 1075 00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:09,240 unclassified complaint one of my biggest 1076 00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,160 questions is why don't you drop it down 1077 00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:14,400 on your article and the of course there 1078 00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:16,380 are going to be names in there that they 1079 00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,420 should redact right so all the the 1080 00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,680 personally identifying information 1081 00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:22,079 absolutely take that out if there are 1082 00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:24,119 sections that you can deduce who someone 1083 00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:27,000 is of course take that out but let's see 1084 00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:30,180 what this complaint is because you're 1085 00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:32,700 already blasting it out all over the 1086 00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:34,740 media so you obviously want this out 1087 00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,260 there why don't we put it out but more 1088 00:46:42,589 --> 00:46:39,359 so than that the paperwork of what he 1089 00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:42,599 was approved to say which both Ralph and 1090 00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:45,060 Leslie in their article state that on 1091 00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:50,220 April 4th and the 6th of 2023 David 1092 00:46:56,329 --> 00:46:53,579 grush was authorized by dobster to say 1093 00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:56,339 the statements that he did to the media 1094 00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,380 that's what we were told in the debrief 1095 00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,920 article why now I am more interested in 1096 00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,319 the doctor paperwork is I want to see 1097 00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:06,480 what was he approved to say because if 1098 00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,760 it says bodies Leslie and Ralph said 1099 00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:10,319 that they saw the paperwork 1100 00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:13,740 so so in that confirmation process you 1101 00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:16,560 would have saw bodies and I want to know 1102 00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:17,880 if they did 1103 00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:19,800 and then the second part of that is why 1104 00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:21,180 would you leave it out that is an 1105 00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:22,859 explosive claim that I'll say it again 1106 00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:25,740 has the same exact weight as all other 1107 00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:28,980 elements of your story if she wants to 1108 00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:30,839 claim that she just doesn't want to deal 1109 00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:34,079 with bodies which I don't know why but 1110 00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:37,020 just deal with craft that's fine but now 1111 00:47:41,210 --> 00:47:38,819 she's saying she never heard it so in 1112 00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,220 the entire vetting process 1113 00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:44,160 her claim is that David grush never 1114 00:47:51,609 --> 00:47:47,000 talked to her about bodies 1115 00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:51,619 why that to me is is one of the biggest 1116 00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:54,180 explosive things to say 1117 00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,280 and the fact that you are going to 1118 00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:59,040 journalists and giving them the 1119 00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,240 information 1120 00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:01,680 and in fact I don't know if you want to 1121 00:48:07,130 --> 00:48:05,220 get into this but in August of 2022 it 1122 00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:07,140 was said that he was already talking to 1123 00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:09,060 people at a Star Trek convention 1124 00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:12,660 including talking to George Knapp and 1125 00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:14,220 Jeremy Corbell 1126 00:48:19,609 --> 00:48:17,880 and that essentially I mean they claim 1127 00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,619 meaning Corbell and nap are going to 1128 00:48:23,809 --> 00:48:21,599 talk about this in the next week or so 1129 00:48:27,170 --> 00:48:23,819 I'm looking forward to that but 1130 00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:27,180 obviously Jeremy confirmed that there's 1131 00:48:34,490 --> 00:48:31,200 a story behind this August 2022 meeting 1132 00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,500 and so that intrigues me because he was 1133 00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:37,440 not cleared to talk about anything until 1134 00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:39,480 April of this year 1135 00:48:43,970 --> 00:48:41,700 so how long was he out there shopping 1136 00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,980 this around and what was he shopping 1137 00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:45,359 around 1138 00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:47,400 so I'm eager to hear that part of the 1139 00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:49,859 story it's a kind of an Unwritten puzzle 1140 00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:52,020 piece here no again that dobster 1141 00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:53,099 paperwork's gonna be incredibly 1142 00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:55,500 important yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it is 1143 00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:58,619 it is it is uh except and this is where 1144 00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:01,140 I go into accept and and all I'm trying 1145 00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:05,040 to do is ask the right questions right 1146 00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:09,359 to me it comes down to when did he file 1147 00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:11,880 with the ig's office 1148 00:49:15,770 --> 00:49:13,980 because answer that one for you okay 1149 00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:15,780 when did he file with the iit's office 1150 00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:18,119 so from from what I understand of the 1151 00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:21,180 timeline it was July of 2021 that he 1152 00:49:26,089 --> 00:49:23,940 originally gave all this information to 1153 00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:26,099 the Department of Defense Inspector 1154 00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:28,560 General when it came to the claims that 1155 00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:30,060 some of which that we are hearing about 1156 00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:35,220 now post July of 2021 was when he 1157 00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:36,720 started what he felt was getting 1158 00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:39,540 repercussions from that 1159 00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:43,440 uh fast forward to then 1160 00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:47,460 the beginning of 2022 apparently he was 1161 00:49:51,609 --> 00:49:49,980 speaking to members of Congress right so 1162 00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:51,619 that was the beginning beginning of 1163 00:49:58,270 --> 00:49:55,020 2022. he filed the complaint I think you 1164 00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:58,280 are now referencing in May of 1165 00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:01,140 2022. stop right there stop right here 1166 00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:03,720 and I I brought this up to you earlier 1167 00:50:07,849 --> 00:50:05,640 today 1168 00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:07,859 um and that that fits the timeline that 1169 00:50:13,609 --> 00:50:10,740 you and I were talking about earlier so 1170 00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,619 if if that is indeed the case now I 1171 00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:15,599 don't want to be some kind of Insider 1172 00:50:20,589 --> 00:50:18,060 you know everybody to stay off my back 1173 00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:20,599 with this but I knew this information 1174 00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:24,180 and my point now is the same point that 1175 00:50:28,609 --> 00:50:26,819 I brought up to you earlier today once 1176 00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:28,619 you file that complaint 1177 00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:30,839 you can go to the Star Trek convention 1178 00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:33,180 or you can go out in the middle of the 1179 00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,040 street and start yelling about this 1180 00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:36,960 story I don't think you have to wait for 1181 00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,660 dops or you have to wait for dobster to 1182 00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:41,040 see if you're going to stay out of jail 1183 00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:47,520 all right but but yeah for him going to 1184 00:50:52,210 --> 00:50:50,099 um Corbell or anybody else and Corbell 1185 00:50:54,829 --> 00:50:52,220 not reacting to it 1186 00:50:56,809 --> 00:50:54,839 Corbell had the scoop of the century in 1187 00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:56,819 front of the New York Times and so did 1188 00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,740 George Knapp 1189 00:51:03,770 --> 00:51:01,920 um and ahead of the debrief why would 1190 00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,780 they choose to pass on it it's not 1191 00:51:08,530 --> 00:51:06,240 dobster that is going to stop that I 1192 00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:08,540 there's no way 1193 00:51:13,250 --> 00:51:10,980 dobster wouldn't stop the New York Times 1194 00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:13,260 you would run with the story if you're 1195 00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,660 going to vet it three times you're going 1196 00:51:18,349 --> 00:51:17,040 to run technically the New York Times 1197 00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:18,359 shouldn't know about the story until 1198 00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:22,260 dopps are signed off I'm not saying but 1199 00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:25,079 you understand my point here you know 1200 00:51:34,609 --> 00:51:29,220 once that IG why are we waiting my point 1201 00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:34,619 John until June 5th of 2023 to get the 1202 00:51:43,930 --> 00:51:38,220 story if the IG complaint was filed over 1203 00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:46,609 okay there's a couple ways to to look at 1204 00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:47,940 this part of what you're saying I'm 1205 00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:50,579 going to respectfully disagree with we 1206 00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:52,200 know that there's an unclassified 1207 00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,140 complaint that the journalists have seen 1208 00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,839 now they call it unclassified was that 1209 00:52:01,490 --> 00:52:00,000 reviewed I do not believe so because I 1210 00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,500 haven't seen any reference to the fact 1211 00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:04,079 that it was but I believe that grush 1212 00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:06,180 believed that everything that he put on 1213 00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:07,980 there was unclassified now keep in mind 1214 00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,099 his complaint was less about alien you 1215 00:52:17,089 --> 00:52:14,400 know non-human craft if you will and 1216 00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,099 more so about the reprisals that he was 1217 00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:19,440 that he was kind of getting and and the 1218 00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:21,180 stuff that he turned over in July of 1219 00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,180 2021 from there on out those kind of 1220 00:52:28,490 --> 00:52:25,920 repercussions of his actions so that's 1221 00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:28,500 more of what that complaint was about so 1222 00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:31,020 it's quite possible that he was truly 1223 00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,280 unclassified that he was just kind of 1224 00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,040 making a claim could he go out and talk 1225 00:52:41,569 --> 00:52:38,160 about stuff that included non-human 1226 00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,579 craft bodies wreckage intact crap and 1227 00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:43,440 possession of the documents could he 1228 00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:46,380 absolutely is it a huge risk absolutely 1229 00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:49,500 he's a clearance holder and at that 1230 00:52:54,349 --> 00:52:51,420 point even at the Star Trek convention 1231 00:52:58,670 --> 00:52:54,359 in August the Department of Defense 1232 00:53:00,589 --> 00:52:58,680 never clear him to go out and again if 1233 00:53:04,430 --> 00:53:00,599 the rumors are true and to be believed 1234 00:53:06,589 --> 00:53:04,440 you can't go out and summarize heavily 1235 00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:06,599 classified programs because according to 1236 00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,760 him all of this is heavily classified 1237 00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:11,520 and there's a lot of material you can't 1238 00:53:15,770 --> 00:53:13,980 do that and that is a big part of this 1239 00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:15,780 story that I think many people ignore 1240 00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,480 you cannot take a special Access program 1241 00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,400 or an unacknowledged special Access 1242 00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,559 program or anything of high 1243 00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,559 classification 1244 00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,119 summarize it go out and talk about it 1245 00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:30,000 and make it okay right you can't do that 1246 00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:31,319 just because you're not giving a program 1247 00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:33,720 name or showing a document 1248 00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:35,400 all of that information is still 1249 00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:37,740 inherently classified due to the 1250 00:53:41,329 --> 00:53:39,059 sensitive nature of what you're talking 1251 00:53:43,490 --> 00:53:41,339 about I always use the stealth aircraft 1252 00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:43,500 analogy go back in time to when the 1253 00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:46,980 F-117 was not made available to the 1254 00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:49,380 public right you cannot from Lockheed 1255 00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:51,420 Martin go okay I'm gonna go talk to the 1256 00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,839 media tell them about a fighter not name 1257 00:53:59,930 --> 00:53:57,359 it but say it can evade radar it's made 1258 00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:59,940 with special material it's completely on 1259 00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:01,260 the black budget this down the other 1260 00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,200 thing no you can't do that those are all 1261 00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,000 classified programs so just because you 1262 00:54:10,609 --> 00:54:08,160 summarize it doesn't mean you can start 1263 00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:10,619 going out and blabbing about it so when 1264 00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:13,740 he's going out and it sounds like I'm 1265 00:54:17,329 --> 00:54:15,540 eager to hear a nap and corbell's story 1266 00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:17,339 so I'm not going to jump to any 1267 00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,460 conclusions there but obviously people 1268 00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:22,680 are posting online that they got to meet 1269 00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:25,740 The Whistleblower through George Knapp 1270 00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:27,660 and Jeremy Corbell at this convention 1271 00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:30,660 and Jeremy Corbell retweeted that and 1272 00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:32,579 said yes George Knapp and I were going 1273 00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:34,200 to come out with a story we're 1274 00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:35,760 essentially going to let this play out a 1275 00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:37,619 little bit I'm eager to hear that 1276 00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:39,300 because Jeremy's all over the news as 1277 00:54:44,089 --> 00:54:41,579 well kind of throwing his support to The 1278 00:54:46,670 --> 00:54:44,099 Whistleblower so clearly he knew the 1279 00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:46,680 story I mean I I don't I'm not I'm ex 1280 00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:48,900 I'm not expecting a wow we met this guy 1281 00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:51,780 and had coffee but had no idea who he 1282 00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,960 was I don't buy that at all so obviously 1283 00:55:00,049 --> 00:54:57,119 The Whistleblower was out shopping the 1284 00:55:03,470 --> 00:55:00,059 story uh trying to get media coverage 1285 00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:03,480 from those names that we see a lot in 1286 00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,700 the mainstream media and that to me is 1287 00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,920 problematic I don't think that you see 1288 00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:10,160 that a lot with whistleblowers and other 1289 00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:13,760 in other topics you know 1290 00:55:20,589 --> 00:55:17,460 Orthodox when did David's employment 1291 00:55:24,829 --> 00:55:20,599 with the US government officially end 1292 00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:24,839 uh it was uh I think April of this year 1293 00:55:28,849 --> 00:55:27,839 April of this year yeah I want to make 1294 00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:28,859 sure I have that right because it's not 1295 00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:30,420 written now 1296 00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:33,839 now was he a contractor or was he a 1297 00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:36,180 government employee 1298 00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,980 um well that's kind of like the the 1299 00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:40,400 section that I'm not sure I can tell you 1300 00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:43,500 that he was the representative to the 1301 00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,660 UAP task force from 2019 to 2021 for the 1302 00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:51,119 national reconnaissance office then from 1303 00:55:58,690 --> 00:55:55,980 late 2021 to July of 2022 he was what 1304 00:56:03,410 --> 00:55:58,700 was called the co-lead for UAP analysis 1305 00:56:06,170 --> 00:56:03,420 for the NGA so with all of that said 1306 00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:06,180 that puts him around 1307 00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:09,780 when the IG considered his complaint 1308 00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:12,720 credible and essentially urgent that was 1309 00:56:17,930 --> 00:56:15,420 a uh two months after he filed it with 1310 00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:17,940 them and that's when his tenure there 1311 00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:23,119 ended from July of 2022 uh to uh again 1312 00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:26,900 uh 2023 was when he left government 1313 00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:29,760 I don't know if that is known I don't 1314 00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:31,800 recall that from the article no what 1315 00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:34,740 what month of 2023 did he leave that's 1316 00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:36,180 what I'm trying to see in the article I 1317 00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:37,800 know it's okay all right all right all 1318 00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:39,420 right all right 1319 00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:43,800 um and so he would have been again 1320 00:56:48,910 --> 00:56:46,980 looking at this and we need uh 1321 00:56:51,410 --> 00:56:48,920 April 7 1322 00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:51,420 2023. yeah let me read it to make sure 1323 00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:53,460 that I I have this right grush left the 1324 00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:57,119 government left the government on April 1325 00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:02,160 7 2023 in order he said to advance to 1326 00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:03,960 advance government accountability 1327 00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,900 through public awareness he remains well 1328 00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,640 supported with an intelligent circles 1329 00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:09,839 and numerous sources of vouchers 1330 00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:12,359 credibility that means that it was the 1331 00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:13,680 day after 1332 00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:17,040 the second clearance from dobster right 1333 00:57:23,569 --> 00:57:22,079 okay so that puts him at the Star Trek 1334 00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:23,579 convention 1335 00:57:30,849 --> 00:57:28,200 as a government employee for the NGO 1336 00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:30,859 well in in August of 1337 00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:34,559 2022 yeah that was a month after he 1338 00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:37,260 stopped uh for according to the article 1339 00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:39,660 anyway right it was a month after he 1340 00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,099 stopped being the co-lead for UAP 1341 00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:43,440 analysis at the NGA but was he still in 1342 00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,619 the NGA was the UAP task force disbanded 1343 00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:48,480 at that point and then there was no need 1344 00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:51,240 and arrow was taking over creating their 1345 00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:52,500 own 1346 00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:55,559 you know working Network that's that's a 1347 00:57:59,329 --> 00:57:56,819 possibility so maybe he did something 1348 00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:59,339 else for NGA that's kind of a stop Gap 1349 00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:02,400 in his in his timeline when it comes to 1350 00:58:06,349 --> 00:58:04,380 his employment as far as I'm concerned 1351 00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:06,359 if that's somewhere please guys you know 1352 00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:09,000 don't don't crucify me uh just let me 1353 00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:10,260 know and I'm happy to update the 1354 00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:13,140 timeline I'm just trying to get into uh 1355 00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:17,280 David's head maybe he was technically 1356 00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:21,900 unemployed for four weeks and and he 1357 00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:26,099 could have uh shopped a book deal I 1358 00:58:31,309 --> 00:58:28,980 is that possible I mean you're going 1359 00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:31,319 there I'm not going to go there yet 1360 00:58:36,349 --> 00:58:33,540 um but but what I will say is according 1361 00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:36,359 to the article should it be believed uh 1362 00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:40,799 you're looking at an April 7 2023 1363 00:58:48,589 --> 00:58:46,260 uh exit from the U.S government so so 1364 00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:48,599 if if all that is true we don't know 1365 00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:50,280 what he was doing for the NGA isn't it 1366 00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,900 but he was you know obviously a 1367 00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:53,760 intelligence officer so I'm sure that 1368 00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:56,040 they had some other thing for him to do 1369 00:58:59,210 --> 00:58:57,599 and it might not be relevant to this 1370 00:59:02,450 --> 00:58:59,220 particular story but that is kind of a 1371 00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,460 gap in exactly exactly but for me it's 1372 00:59:06,530 --> 00:59:04,799 it's kind of that red flag I mean I 1373 00:59:09,049 --> 00:59:06,540 don't know any lawyered up I don't think 1374 00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:09,059 that that was uh in the article I'll 1375 00:59:14,270 --> 00:59:11,400 kind of quickly look uh at it out of 1376 00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,280 this side of my eye here but uh when he 1377 00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:16,319 essentially you know lawyered up but but 1378 00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:19,260 obviously the complaint where he had the 1379 00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:22,980 attorney uh that was likely May 2022 or 1380 00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:24,780 before because we were told in the 1381 00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:27,359 article the attorney wrote that on his 1382 00:59:33,069 --> 00:59:30,000 behalf and there are Graphics that 1383 00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,079 although the documents have not been 1384 00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:36,240 uh seen or released 1385 00:59:42,410 --> 00:59:40,079 there is a flash of it on news Nation on 1386 00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:42,420 one of their Clips where they took and 1387 00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:45,180 it's undated uh so we have to go by the 1388 00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:46,980 article I wish there was a date on it 1389 00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:50,339 but they fan the what they call the 1390 00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:52,980 disclosure of urgent concerns complaint 1391 00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:56,160 of reprisal so that is what he submitted 1392 01:00:00,170 --> 00:59:58,140 to the intelligence communities 1393 01:00:03,710 --> 01:00:00,180 Inspector General office or what we call 1394 01:00:05,569 --> 01:00:03,720 the icig and so you see a fan of the 1395 01:00:09,410 --> 01:00:05,579 documents you can see the first page 1396 01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,420 can't do deduce the date and really kind 1397 01:00:13,849 --> 01:00:12,240 of can't I mean you can read it but you 1398 01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,859 know it's it's nothing like really the 1399 01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:16,079 revealing of the story I'd like to read 1400 01:00:20,030 --> 01:00:18,119 the whole thing I mean obviously they're 1401 01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:20,040 giving this document to a news channel 1402 01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,680 to create a graphic so I I don't think 1403 01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:24,000 we're dealing with classified 1404 01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:26,280 information here so why not release it 1405 01:00:30,289 --> 01:00:27,780 again with personally identifying 1406 01:00:32,270 --> 01:00:30,299 information redacted of course please 1407 01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:32,280 you know that I'm a full advocate for 1408 01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:34,920 that so Safeguard people that are 1409 01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:37,020 mentioned or anything like that but 1410 01:00:40,670 --> 01:00:39,180 release it let's let's see it I mean if 1411 01:00:43,130 --> 01:00:40,680 you're going to blow this story wide 1412 01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:43,140 open I think that's a major piece of the 1413 01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,660 puzzle that the general public should at 1414 01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:47,760 least see but more so than that the 1415 01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:50,280 dobster paperwork that cleared him but 1416 01:00:54,049 --> 01:00:52,140 didn't clear him until April so now 1417 01:00:56,530 --> 01:00:54,059 we're putting on the timeline that he 1418 01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:56,540 was out at a convention 1419 01:01:00,770 --> 01:00:59,099 people are alluding to him shopping the 1420 01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,780 story around or talking about it and 1421 01:01:04,910 --> 01:01:02,640 that was a big No-No what if dobster 1422 01:01:06,109 --> 01:01:04,920 came back and said oh no we're sorry 1423 01:01:08,569 --> 01:01:06,119 you're encroaching on classified 1424 01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,579 territory territory and denied the 1425 01:01:12,530 --> 01:01:11,040 request what would happen then well I 1426 01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:12,540 mean so now he's out at conventions 1427 01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:16,140 talking about it yeah so yeah and on 1428 01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:19,079 news nation and Ross and and everything 1429 01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:22,980 else but but they can't 1430 01:01:28,190 --> 01:01:25,740 they can't they cannot say you cannot be 1431 01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:28,200 talking about alien bodies you cannot be 1432 01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:32,160 talking about uh uh flying saucers 1433 01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:35,400 because then everything is legit and 1434 01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:38,400 he's he he's he's elevated to Martyr 1435 01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,680 status I I just don't think they can go 1436 01:01:45,530 --> 01:01:42,960 there 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church tonight John 1534 01:05:53,930 --> 01:05:52,079 Greenwald is with us we're talking about 1535 01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:53,940 David Crush 1536 01:06:00,849 --> 01:05:57,839 The Whistleblower that Leslie Kane and 1537 01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:00,859 Ralph Blumenthal revealed to the world 1538 01:06:09,470 --> 01:06:05,700 earlier this week Monday June 5th on the 1539 01:06:13,150 --> 01:06:09,480 debrief and the article is pretty 1540 01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:13,160 explosive uh it it's it's 1541 01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:18,180 very specific now I want to reiterate 1542 01:06:26,029 --> 01:06:20,960 and it's it's what we call here in radio 1543 01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:26,039 uh a recap back in December of 2017 1544 01:06:32,450 --> 01:06:30,000 Leslie Kanan Ralph Blumenthal uh wrote 1545 01:06:34,010 --> 01:06:32,460 that was uh that was a that was a front 1546 01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:34,020 page article for the New York Times 1547 01:06:38,029 --> 01:06:35,460 revealing 1548 01:06:41,569 --> 01:06:38,039 for the first time that the Pentagon had 1549 01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:41,579 a secret UFO program 1550 01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:45,299 um now what evolved from that it's been 1551 01:06:51,289 --> 01:06:47,599 a crazy five and a half years for sure 1552 01:06:54,529 --> 01:06:51,299 now this week once again Leslie Kane and 1553 01:06:56,809 --> 01:06:54,539 Ralph Blumenthal have written an article 1554 01:07:01,370 --> 01:06:56,819 um that centers around a whistleblower 1555 01:07:04,430 --> 01:07:01,380 his name is David grush and uh David is 1556 01:07:06,190 --> 01:07:04,440 uh claiming allegedly that the United 1557 01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:06,200 States government 1558 01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,599 has uh intact 1559 01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:12,000 flying saucers I'm saying Flying Saucer 1560 01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:13,440 you can say craft From Another World 1561 01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:17,280 with a flying saucers E.T craft aliens 1562 01:07:25,309 --> 01:07:20,400 ET craft and Pilots uh of those craft 1563 01:07:28,849 --> 01:07:25,319 and alien bodies now here's uh my point 1564 01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:28,859 that I want to make with this John 1565 01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:33,119 um David because of his uh CV because of 1566 01:07:39,349 --> 01:07:35,160 his resume 1567 01:07:43,130 --> 01:07:39,359 um seems credible to me he does he seems 1568 01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:43,140 credible this is a crazy story 1569 01:07:49,390 --> 01:07:45,780 but there's a point here that I think 1570 01:07:52,609 --> 01:07:49,400 needs to be made no matter what we 1571 01:07:55,069 --> 01:07:52,619 deduce from Leslie and Ralph's original 1572 01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:55,079 article back in December of 2017 1573 01:08:00,770 --> 01:07:57,720 everything that transpired after that 1574 01:08:03,950 --> 01:08:00,780 ttsa Tom the long Lou Elizondo Chris 1575 01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:03,960 Mellon Hal put off the length the list 1576 01:08:12,049 --> 01:08:08,480 of the atip ATIV Wasa V 1577 01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:12,059 crazy right five and a half years but 1578 01:08:18,169 --> 01:08:13,920 what it did do 1579 01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:18,179 is it elevated the presence of this to 1580 01:08:25,490 --> 01:08:21,359 the world and and and 1581 01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:25,500 as as good or bad as any of the 1582 01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,380 individuals or the reasons are 1583 01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:31,199 it elevated things into the media like 1584 01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,799 never before it's the same thing with 1585 01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:36,480 this article 1586 01:08:43,010 --> 01:08:41,100 now we have two questions two two forget 1587 01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:43,020 about everything else with with David 1588 01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:46,799 grush or anybody else Jonathan gray is a 1589 01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:49,040 pseudonym 1590 01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,380 Star Trek inventions all of that you 1591 01:08:56,749 --> 01:08:54,239 know what 1592 01:09:00,169 --> 01:08:56,759 where are the flying saucers 1593 01:09:03,289 --> 01:09:00,179 where are the alien bodies and Congress 1594 01:09:05,450 --> 01:09:03,299 is now asking those questions and now 1595 01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:05,460 we're going to have more hearings and 1596 01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:08,940 now I think the White House has got some 1597 01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:12,060 questions to answer to as well where are 1598 01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:13,560 the flying saucers 1599 01:09:18,289 --> 01:09:16,500 and where the alien bodies that's what 1600 01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,299 comes from this article 1601 01:09:23,209 --> 01:09:20,640 we can pick it apart and I've been 1602 01:09:25,789 --> 01:09:23,219 picking it apart but there's really just 1603 01:09:28,249 --> 01:09:25,799 two things here suddenly in the public 1604 01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:28,259 eye that were never there before do you 1605 01:09:31,550 --> 01:09:29,520 agree 1606 01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,560 yeah and I think it's it I think it's 1607 01:09:35,209 --> 01:09:33,839 really good I I mean I see through your 1608 01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:35,219 chat room during the break I was kind of 1609 01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:38,460 looking through some of that and I mean 1610 01:09:42,289 --> 01:09:40,500 I see some of the hate on what what 1611 01:09:43,729 --> 01:09:42,299 we're talking about mainly what I'm I'm 1612 01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:43,739 bringing up 1613 01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:45,779 um so let me say two things if I can I 1614 01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,600 mean yeah to your point things are are 1615 01:09:53,209 --> 01:09:50,880 still unfolding I mean Congress is going 1616 01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,219 to be looking at this doing a hearing 1617 01:09:57,169 --> 01:09:55,199 all of that is great I want to see what 1618 01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:57,179 happens and I want to see how that 1619 01:10:00,530 --> 01:09:58,860 unfolds but we I think we have to 1620 01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,540 prepare ourselves what if they come back 1621 01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,640 and say that there's nothing to it the 1622 01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:04,800 general public will not believe that I I 1623 01:10:09,290 --> 01:10:07,199 mean I I guarantee it the the hatred 1624 01:10:12,110 --> 01:10:09,300 that I'm getting from from people 1625 01:10:13,729 --> 01:10:12,120 bringing up some of these points I think 1626 01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:13,739 that crowd is not going to really 1627 01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:16,320 believe it but I'm eager to see how that 1628 01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,780 plays out but the reason why I was kind 1629 01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:20,640 of hitting some of the points before the 1630 01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:21,840 break and we didn't really talk about 1631 01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:23,820 this specifically so if I can just make 1632 01:10:26,830 --> 01:10:25,199 this one point because I think it kind 1633 01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:26,840 of brings it all together 1634 01:10:32,990 --> 01:10:30,360 I can prove Beyond any shadow of a doubt 1635 01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:33,000 that the UAP topic the secrecy 1636 01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:35,040 surrounding it is being clamped down 1637 01:10:40,689 --> 01:10:37,560 from a legal standpoint from the 1638 01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:40,699 spokespeople the dod they are completely 1639 01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,679 pushing themselves away from revealing 1640 01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:45,600 anything with the exception of the 1641 01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:47,280 select few hearings that we've gotten 1642 01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:51,060 and a select few visuals I'm not sure I 1643 01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:52,560 just wrote this story actually in the 1644 01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:55,199 last few days I don't know if you saw it 1645 01:10:59,090 --> 01:10:57,000 but I'm happy to chat about that as well 1646 01:11:01,490 --> 01:10:59,100 to kind of support that but the bottom 1647 01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:01,500 line is the secrecy is clamping down 1648 01:11:06,410 --> 01:11:04,560 so with that mindset David grush takes 1649 01:11:09,050 --> 01:11:06,420 his statements that we all are hearing 1650 01:11:10,669 --> 01:11:09,060 about and we all want them to be true to 1651 01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:10,679 the arm of the Department of Defense 1652 01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:13,080 that really is authorized at a top 1653 01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:15,060 secret level to look at everything some 1654 01:11:19,370 --> 01:11:17,880 people argue arrow is not and and I can 1655 01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,380 actually get on board with that I know 1656 01:11:25,010 --> 01:11:21,840 that they're not fully cleared on every 1657 01:11:28,189 --> 01:11:25,020 aspect of all this but what I think uh 1658 01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:28,199 is is dobster and so they see the 1659 01:11:34,669 --> 01:11:31,020 statements that grush wants to convey to 1660 01:11:38,530 --> 01:11:34,679 the media and they do have that access 1661 01:11:41,810 --> 01:11:38,540 or the ability to contact the agencies 1662 01:11:45,410 --> 01:11:41,820 uh treading both into title 10 and title 1663 01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,420 50 territory to really evaluate what 1664 01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,280 grush is going to take to the media they 1665 01:11:52,610 --> 01:11:49,440 do not endorse they do not fact check 1666 01:11:55,250 --> 01:11:52,620 they ensure no classified information is 1667 01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:55,260 in this so with that they gave their 1668 01:11:59,330 --> 01:11:56,940 stamp of approval what can we deduce 1669 01:12:01,970 --> 01:11:59,340 from that the biggest problem of the 1670 01:12:04,430 --> 01:12:01,980 story in my book and that is the fact 1671 01:12:07,550 --> 01:12:04,440 that if there was anything that was 1672 01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:07,560 related to this that was true I'm not 1673 01:12:10,669 --> 01:12:09,060 saying that it's not but I'm just saying 1674 01:12:13,070 --> 01:12:10,679 in the eyes of dobster it would be 1675 01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:13,080 heavily classified we all know that 1676 01:12:17,630 --> 01:12:15,480 and there's no possible way he can 1677 01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,640 summarize it and get away with it yet 1678 01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:19,920 dobster put their approval on it anyway 1679 01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:23,340 which means the realization of non-human 1680 01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:27,120 craft is an unclassified topic to the US 1681 01:12:31,870 --> 01:12:29,100 government if true that's what we're 1682 01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:31,880 saying the realization of bodies 1683 01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:35,760 non-human dead Pilots of these non-human 1684 01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:38,640 craft as described with grush we are now 1685 01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:41,640 accepting that that if true is an 1686 01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:44,040 unclassified aspect to the United States 1687 01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,260 government and the fact that we have 1688 01:12:52,250 --> 01:12:48,719 non-human craft in our holding both 1689 01:12:54,169 --> 01:12:52,260 intact craft and debris and material all 1690 01:12:57,649 --> 01:12:54,179 non-human made but technology 1691 01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,659 nonetheless that if true is considered 1692 01:13:02,090 --> 01:13:00,000 unclassified to the U.S government 1693 01:13:04,370 --> 01:13:02,100 there's a huge problem with that that's 1694 01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:04,380 not reality that is not the world we're 1695 01:13:09,890 --> 01:13:06,600 living in quite the opposite anything 1696 01:13:12,410 --> 01:13:09,900 related to UAP is is heavily classified 1697 01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:12,420 so it would never pass the dops or test 1698 01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:15,360 that's my biggest problem okay and I 1699 01:13:18,169 --> 01:13:16,320 don't think a lot of people are looking 1700 01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:18,179 at that okay let me ask you about 1701 01:13:23,209 --> 01:13:20,580 dobster for a second 1702 01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:23,219 um in this highly compartment memorized 1703 01:13:29,209 --> 01:13:25,500 world and certainly if we're talking 1704 01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:29,219 about 18 alien bodies nobody knows 1705 01:13:36,169 --> 01:13:32,159 nothing right everything is just so 1706 01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:36,179 segmented and and separated is it 1707 01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:37,280 possible 1708 01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:38,960 that 1709 01:13:45,950 --> 01:13:42,960 clearance 1710 01:13:48,850 --> 01:13:45,960 don't know anything about alien craft or 1711 01:13:51,649 --> 01:13:48,860 alien bodies and would have looked over 1712 01:13:54,169 --> 01:13:51,659 and just thought and 1713 01:13:56,689 --> 01:13:54,179 so what no hey he can talk about that 1714 01:14:00,110 --> 01:13:56,699 that that's not real is that a 1715 01:14:02,270 --> 01:14:00,120 possibility looking looking at not only 1716 01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:02,280 the doctor process obviously through 1717 01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:06,000 Luis elizondo's uh effort to get the 1718 01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:08,520 three original UAP videos 1719 01:14:11,330 --> 01:14:10,140 cleared that's a whole different story 1720 01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:11,340 he didn't get him cleared for public 1721 01:14:15,530 --> 01:14:13,380 release he didn't want to according to 1722 01:14:17,450 --> 01:14:15,540 him he wanted them for internal use but 1723 01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:17,460 he had to go through the dobster process 1724 01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:19,920 so by me digging in on that and digging 1725 01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:24,000 up numerous other cases of non-ufo 1726 01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:26,520 related but sometimes classified or 1727 01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:29,040 controlled unclassified information uh 1728 01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:30,300 stuff that had to go through the process 1729 01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:31,920 that's not how they work they don't look 1730 01:14:35,930 --> 01:14:34,080 at it and go oh I'm sure it's not 1731 01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:35,940 classified you know or I don't know 1732 01:14:40,010 --> 01:14:37,679 anything about this so yeah yeah Let It 1733 01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:40,020 Go no on the contrary they do look into 1734 01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,540 it now I have [\h__\h] but we're talking 1735 01:14:49,209 --> 01:14:45,360 about flying saucers and alien bodies 1736 01:14:52,669 --> 01:14:49,219 okay we're assumption there 1737 01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,679 I'm totally with you yeah no we need to 1738 01:14:56,030 --> 01:14:54,719 know what what did David grush pitch to 1739 01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:56,040 Doc dobster 1740 01:15:00,649 --> 01:14:58,800 that and and that's a bigger Point did 1741 01:15:03,770 --> 01:15:00,659 he say were led to believe in the 1742 01:15:06,649 --> 01:15:03,780 article so show us the paperwork 1743 01:15:07,970 --> 01:15:06,659 and and that's this is why I think a lot 1744 01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:07,980 of people are missing that that they're 1745 01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:10,500 harping me on it but what is it that he 1746 01:15:16,189 --> 01:15:14,400 submitted to doctor we assume that its 1747 01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:16,199 bodies and craft that's what we were 1748 01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:19,199 told well that's what he says he says he 1749 01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:21,540 gave not sold on that at this point I 1750 01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:24,060 understand that but he says he's on the 1751 01:15:29,149 --> 01:15:24,800 record 1752 01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:29,159 saying that he gave the IG all of the 1753 01:15:34,130 --> 01:15:31,620 supporting documents for this well 1754 01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:34,140 that's the IG not the officer uh no but 1755 01:15:40,970 --> 01:15:37,800 but but the IG complaint goes to dobbser 1756 01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:40,980 they're definitely uh they would have to 1757 01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:45,120 look to make sure that the the what what 1758 01:15:50,209 --> 01:15:46,860 is it that he's complaining about and 1759 01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,219 what he may say publicly I was that was 1760 01:15:56,270 --> 01:15:52,800 so the complaint is different than what 1761 01:15:57,229 --> 01:15:56,280 he submitted to dobster to clear for 1762 01:15:59,930 --> 01:15:57,239 release 1763 01:16:02,209 --> 01:15:59,940 so whistleblowers and and this gets into 1764 01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:02,219 a crazy gray area I've I've got a 1765 01:16:06,590 --> 01:16:04,500 request into uh someone who I've known 1766 01:16:08,689 --> 01:16:06,600 for many many years not part of the UFO 1767 01:16:10,970 --> 01:16:08,699 field but is a very well-known attorney 1768 01:16:12,770 --> 01:16:10,980 dealing with whistleblower complaints 1769 01:16:14,330 --> 01:16:12,780 and stuff like that right we've known 1770 01:16:16,430 --> 01:16:14,340 each other through foia channels and 1771 01:16:19,490 --> 01:16:16,440 stuff like that and and and communicate 1772 01:16:22,669 --> 01:16:19,500 uh you know semi often and so I I 1773 01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:22,679 reached out to them to see if they would 1774 01:16:26,930 --> 01:16:25,260 add their two cents on on how that this 1775 01:16:29,390 --> 01:16:26,940 is playing out but as as far as I 1776 01:16:32,570 --> 01:16:29,400 understand of the process uh because 1777 01:16:34,370 --> 01:16:32,580 again I'm no attorney so uh I'm not an 1778 01:16:36,770 --> 01:16:34,380 attorney but I've been around the block 1779 01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:36,780 enough to know in situations like these 1780 01:16:41,330 --> 01:16:39,120 by investigating numerous whistleblower 1781 01:16:43,250 --> 01:16:41,340 complaints not only in the UFO realm but 1782 01:16:47,570 --> 01:16:43,260 actually primarily outside of the UFO 1783 01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:47,580 realm uh you have a very tight 1784 01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:49,920 seal over all of those whistleblower 1785 01:16:55,330 --> 01:16:51,900 complaints when it comes to the US 1786 01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:55,340 government what the 1787 01:17:02,990 --> 01:16:58,980 whistleblower themselves wants to say to 1788 01:17:05,689 --> 01:17:03,000 the public that then needs to be cleared 1789 01:17:08,510 --> 01:17:05,699 so he cannot just turn around and start 1790 01:17:11,689 --> 01:17:08,520 blasting the classified aspects of all 1791 01:17:14,450 --> 01:17:11,699 of this to the general public however if 1792 01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:14,460 what is truly labeled unclassified and 1793 01:17:18,890 --> 01:17:16,640 we were told there was an unclassified 1794 01:17:21,709 --> 01:17:18,900 uh complaint 1795 01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:21,719 then there should be no reason for him 1796 01:17:27,649 --> 01:17:24,719 to release that but that therein is kind 1797 01:17:29,810 --> 01:17:27,659 of a a gray area where then yes dobster 1798 01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:29,820 may need to get involved but at that 1799 01:17:33,290 --> 01:17:31,199 point you're talking about Inspector 1800 01:17:35,209 --> 01:17:33,300 General territory and that might be a 1801 01:17:37,610 --> 01:17:35,219 different ball game that's the aspect of 1802 01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,620 the legal side that I'm not 100 on right 1803 01:17:42,110 --> 01:17:40,080 right right but regardless though we 1804 01:17:44,830 --> 01:17:42,120 know that that the complaint is not what 1805 01:17:48,770 --> 01:17:44,840 was approved by dobster the the 1806 01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:48,780 submitted statements were and and that's 1807 01:17:52,669 --> 01:17:50,640 what I'm eager to see that's what I'm 1808 01:17:54,530 --> 01:17:52,679 eager to see what did you get clearance 1809 01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:54,540 on we're led to believe it's again the 1810 01:17:58,729 --> 01:17:56,280 non-human craft and all that because if 1811 01:18:01,130 --> 01:17:58,739 he's saying it according to him in the 1812 01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,140 article he should be cleared to to say 1813 01:18:05,209 --> 01:18:03,360 it and that's fine so let's see it let's 1814 01:18:07,970 --> 01:18:05,219 see what you submitted to dobster and if 1815 01:18:11,570 --> 01:18:07,980 all of that is in there bodies non-human 1816 01:18:13,550 --> 01:18:11,580 craft uh we'll we'll see what else there 1817 01:18:15,890 --> 01:18:13,560 might be and dobbser gives their stamp 1818 01:18:18,410 --> 01:18:15,900 of approval we need to ask the question 1819 01:18:21,050 --> 01:18:18,420 how could it pass the test dobster is 1820 01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:21,060 not care careless and and anybody can 1821 01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:22,620 research this you don't have to take my 1822 01:18:27,709 --> 01:18:25,920 word for it but they are the arm of the 1823 01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:27,719 Department of Defense that ensures that 1824 01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:30,239 if anybody is writing a manuscript or 1825 01:18:37,250 --> 01:18:33,780 putting anything public that they look 1826 01:18:39,709 --> 01:18:37,260 at it and approve it for release that's 1827 01:18:43,250 --> 01:18:39,719 their job cleared at a top secret level 1828 01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:43,260 so it doesn't make sense that if the 1829 01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:45,120 reviewer thought oh no there's nothing 1830 01:18:50,030 --> 01:18:47,760 classified with this that they would you 1831 01:18:52,250 --> 01:18:50,040 know just sign off on it on the contrary 1832 01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:52,260 they would go to what are called the 1833 01:18:58,130 --> 01:18:54,480 ocas or the original classifying 1834 01:18:59,990 --> 01:18:58,140 authorities into every agency that grush 1835 01:19:03,169 --> 01:19:00,000 was talking about 1836 01:19:04,729 --> 01:19:03,179 um again if if he if he put that into 1837 01:19:06,890 --> 01:19:04,739 his 1838 01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:06,900 um statement you know and so again I'm 1839 01:19:10,130 --> 01:19:08,760 I'm not trying to be vague there but we 1840 01:19:12,590 --> 01:19:10,140 don't know what grush submitted to 1841 01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,600 dopser but that process they look at 1842 01:19:18,770 --> 01:19:15,120 that and wherever they can tie in a 1843 01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:18,780 potential OCA they go to them and then 1844 01:19:24,729 --> 01:19:21,900 essentially go over and review that 1845 01:19:27,890 --> 01:19:24,739 material to juxtapose that with 1846 01:19:30,770 --> 01:19:27,900 elizondo's form even though he did not 1847 01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:30,780 want it for public release he they did 1848 01:19:35,870 --> 01:19:32,940 have to go to the OCA which in this case 1849 01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:35,880 was the Navy for those videos and it's 1850 01:19:40,490 --> 01:19:38,159 listed right on the form it says OCA and 1851 01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:40,500 then it's a redacted name right and they 1852 01:19:46,130 --> 01:19:43,500 dopser then goes to them and says hey 1853 01:19:49,550 --> 01:19:46,140 Luis Elizondo wants to share these with 1854 01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:49,560 cleared Partners can we do that not the 1855 01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:52,320 public but he was looking to and this is 1856 01:19:55,610 --> 01:19:53,880 what he told me directly it's in a 1857 01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:55,620 recorded interview everybody thinks he 1858 01:19:59,209 --> 01:19:56,940 wanted them for the public that's not 1859 01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:59,219 what he said he wanted to use them 1860 01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:02,640 internally in a database regardless of 1861 01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:04,080 that not being released to the public 1862 01:20:08,570 --> 01:20:05,820 they still had to clear it with the OCA 1863 01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:08,580 so it gets into some really snoozy 1864 01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:11,040 jargon I get all that but regardless 1865 01:20:15,890 --> 01:20:13,679 it's incredibly important because that 1866 01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:15,900 review process 1867 01:20:21,770 --> 01:20:18,480 I'm sorry if any of this was true he 1868 01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:21,780 cannot summarize a sap or anything of 1869 01:20:26,209 --> 01:20:23,640 that classification level to the general 1870 01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:26,219 public and have the dod sign off on it 1871 01:20:31,250 --> 01:20:29,040 not with their views on UAP material at 1872 01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:31,260 this point it just wouldn't happen and 1873 01:20:36,110 --> 01:20:33,960 that to me is the biggest red flag that 1874 01:20:38,570 --> 01:20:36,120 does not mean that David grush is a big 1875 01:20:41,450 --> 01:20:38,580 old liar and he's trying to mislead all 1876 01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:41,460 of us nor does it mean that his story is 1877 01:20:47,149 --> 01:20:45,360 untrue but it is a huge red flag that at 1878 01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,159 this point I haven't seen anybody of 1879 01:20:52,090 --> 01:20:49,679 note address is he protected under the 1880 01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:52,100 Whistleblower uh 1881 01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:56,400 aspect of this that uh you know it it's 1882 01:21:02,930 --> 01:21:00,000 not that he is revealing I've I've had 1883 01:21:08,050 --> 01:21:02,940 so many Dobbs or experts contact me 1884 01:21:12,890 --> 01:21:08,060 right everybody's got a a take on this 1885 01:21:15,290 --> 01:21:12,900 on on on on how dopser handles this but 1886 01:21:19,790 --> 01:21:15,300 putting all of that aside 1887 01:21:23,570 --> 01:21:19,800 um it does David maybe just not give a 1888 01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,580 crap and he is protected uh Under The 1889 01:21:27,709 --> 01:21:25,679 Whistleblower side of this and his 1890 01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,719 lawyer has said look 1891 01:21:34,010 --> 01:21:30,000 I mean what if it comes out dopster says 1892 01:21:37,610 --> 01:21:34,020 you cannot he is obviously uh John this 1893 01:21:40,370 --> 01:21:37,620 is where for me I have a big problem his 1894 01:21:44,030 --> 01:21:40,380 story is flying saucers and alien bodies 1895 01:21:45,970 --> 01:21:44,040 right that we are that's the story what 1896 01:21:49,070 --> 01:21:45,980 is it that he's going to tell dobster 1897 01:21:51,290 --> 01:21:49,080 that he is going to talk about he's not 1898 01:21:52,669 --> 01:21:51,300 writing a book He's not appearing in a 1899 01:21:53,649 --> 01:21:52,679 movie 1900 01:21:58,010 --> 01:21:53,659 um 1901 01:21:59,450 --> 01:21:58,020 well that's a great point isn't it 1902 01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:59,460 um uh that's why they don't want to show 1903 01:22:04,970 --> 01:22:01,920 the paperwork maybe maybe he is 1904 01:22:08,450 --> 01:22:04,980 represented by an agent I don't know uh 1905 01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:08,460 but all of that being said if if it 1906 01:22:14,630 --> 01:22:12,540 comes out in in the dobster that that is 1907 01:22:17,090 --> 01:22:14,640 exactly what he wrote down because 1908 01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:17,100 that's his story 1909 01:22:24,310 --> 01:22:20,760 right maybe he just doesn't care maybe 1910 01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:24,320 his lawyer has said don't worry about it 1911 01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,300 dobster says this you can't talk about 1912 01:22:31,310 --> 01:22:29,520 it but this is your story you're 1913 01:22:34,669 --> 01:22:31,320 protected under the Whistleblower side 1914 01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:34,679 of this this is part of the UAP thing we 1915 01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:36,560 want people like you to come forward 1916 01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,480 tell your story and maybe that's where 1917 01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:41,280 we're at with this 1918 01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:43,500 well it's quite possible when it comes 1919 01:22:48,290 --> 01:22:45,840 to the protection itself that's why I've 1920 01:22:49,790 --> 01:22:48,300 reached out to again 1921 01:22:52,970 --> 01:22:49,800 um someone that I've known who's much 1922 01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:52,980 much smarter than me who I is an 1923 01:22:56,450 --> 01:22:54,840 attorney and and their knowledge will 1924 01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:56,460 absolutely be critical and kind of 1925 01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,280 unfolding that aspect to it but we do 1926 01:23:04,669 --> 01:23:01,679 know from Senator gillibrand herself who 1927 01:23:06,649 --> 01:23:04,679 had stated that if there are you know 1928 01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:06,659 there are some levels of protection at 1929 01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:09,420 this point so if grush feels that he's 1930 01:23:14,930 --> 01:23:13,199 being you know stonewalled or whatever I 1931 01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:14,940 hope that he marches into Senator 1932 01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:16,860 gillibrand's office because she put out 1933 01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,360 there the offer and and I would 1934 01:23:22,130 --> 01:23:20,400 encourage him to do that I would also 1935 01:23:24,050 --> 01:23:22,140 encourage the people that grush has 1936 01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:24,060 talked to to come out that's what we 1937 01:23:27,229 --> 01:23:25,199 really need 1938 01:23:29,450 --> 01:23:27,239 um not to necessarily reveal themselves 1939 01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:29,460 to all of us and put themselves you know 1940 01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:33,120 to at the The Vicious end of of UFO 1941 01:23:36,410 --> 01:23:34,440 Twitter 1942 01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:36,420 um that's not what I mean but but rather 1943 01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,360 put themselves out there to where if if 1944 01:23:43,130 --> 01:23:41,040 grushes 1945 01:23:46,130 --> 01:23:43,140 complaint is dismissed and nobody's 1946 01:23:48,649 --> 01:23:46,140 taken his claim seriously then I hope 1947 01:23:52,130 --> 01:23:48,659 they all March into gillibrand's office 1948 01:23:54,649 --> 01:23:52,140 arm and arm and say look we're the ones 1949 01:23:56,930 --> 01:23:54,659 that talk to grush and here's where the 1950 01:23:59,090 --> 01:23:56,940 bodies are buried both literally and 1951 01:24:01,550 --> 01:23:59,100 figuratively and put that information 1952 01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:01,560 out there because I think that that's 1953 01:24:06,530 --> 01:24:04,800 what we need at this point and for me 1954 01:24:09,169 --> 01:24:06,540 the bottom line is and I'm sure I'll get 1955 01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:09,179 hate mail for this but I do not believe 1956 01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:12,239 with a story of this magnitude that if 1957 01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,679 the government pushes back and 1958 01:24:17,330 --> 01:24:15,840 essentially says no we find no validity 1959 01:24:19,310 --> 01:24:17,340 in these claims 1960 01:24:21,169 --> 01:24:19,320 than the people that grush is talking to 1961 01:24:24,290 --> 01:24:21,179 if they have any evidence whatsoever 1962 01:24:26,930 --> 01:24:24,300 come forward because there's no way in 1963 01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:26,940 my mind that if the government pushes 1964 01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:28,440 back and says there's no validity to 1965 01:24:31,729 --> 01:24:30,120 these claims well then what are they 1966 01:24:33,709 --> 01:24:31,739 going to do there's no classified 1967 01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:33,719 information being spilled right they 1968 01:24:37,970 --> 01:24:35,880 says nothing is valid so if these people 1969 01:24:40,250 --> 01:24:37,980 really have something to share then come 1970 01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:40,260 forward at that point tell the world and 1971 01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:42,719 change Humanity because I think that 1972 01:24:46,669 --> 01:24:44,580 that if the government is truly going to 1973 01:24:49,310 --> 01:24:46,679 do that and there is absolute truth to 1974 01:24:51,169 --> 01:24:49,320 this then come forward you're not going 1975 01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:51,179 to be seeing handcuffs after somebody 1976 01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:54,300 does that I don't I don't buy it if the 1977 01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:56,159 government says there's no validity to 1978 01:25:00,350 --> 01:24:58,080 the story they shut it down and they 1979 01:25:02,030 --> 01:25:00,360 don't take anything seriously then 1980 01:25:03,649 --> 01:25:02,040 there's no way they put somebody in 1981 01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,659 cuffs if they come out and say this is 1982 01:25:08,930 --> 01:25:05,760 where the body is these are the craft 1983 01:25:11,090 --> 01:25:08,940 this is the isotopic analysis that we 1984 01:25:12,770 --> 01:25:11,100 ran because none of that exists 1985 01:25:14,990 --> 01:25:12,780 according to the government so bring it 1986 01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:15,000 all out change Humanity show it to the 1987 01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,040 physicists the the scientists of the 1988 01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,199 world bring it all out because the 1989 01:25:23,330 --> 01:25:21,120 government denied that any of it existed 1990 01:25:27,050 --> 01:25:23,340 yeah yeah I think it would go beyond 1991 01:25:29,689 --> 01:25:27,060 that I I I I I was joking about this 1992 01:25:32,209 --> 01:25:29,699 earlier today John uh and I don't mean 1993 01:25:35,450 --> 01:25:32,219 to be so Cavalier 1994 01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:35,460 um uh Atomic analysis of these uh 1995 01:25:41,330 --> 01:25:38,460 materials don't mean crap open up the 1996 01:25:43,810 --> 01:25:41,340 hanger doors let the press in show them 1997 01:25:46,370 --> 01:25:43,820 the flying saucers 1998 01:25:49,630 --> 01:25:46,380 what it's made of I don't care if it's 1999 01:25:56,450 --> 01:25:52,630 what if it's made of Russian titanium 2000 01:25:59,689 --> 01:25:56,460 but it's the same titanium that is in 2001 01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,699 Zeta reticuli but here's here now let me 2002 01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:01,920 get to my point 2003 01:26:07,550 --> 01:26:04,920 um through all of this 2004 01:26:10,250 --> 01:26:07,560 and it kind of supports what you just 2005 01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:10,260 said through all of this we we've got 2006 01:26:15,169 --> 01:26:12,239 the announcement from the house 2007 01:26:16,970 --> 01:26:15,179 oversight committee came out today and 2008 01:26:20,270 --> 01:26:16,980 they said that they are now preparing a 2009 01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:20,280 hearing on UFOs uh because of David 2010 01:26:27,470 --> 01:26:24,239 grush now is he telling the truth dopps 2011 01:26:29,930 --> 01:26:27,480 or be damned or anything else that is 2012 01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:29,940 the result of that the oversight 2013 01:26:34,910 --> 01:26:32,100 committee chairman James Comer right 2014 01:26:37,090 --> 01:26:34,920 Republican out of Kentucky 2015 01:26:39,970 --> 01:26:37,100 um was asked about this on news Nation 2016 01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:39,980 none of this would have happened 2017 01:26:45,470 --> 01:26:42,719 if it wasn't for Leslie Kanan Ralph 2018 01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:45,480 Blumenthal and the debrief on on Monday 2019 01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,420 on the 5th last night oversight 2020 01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:50,880 committee spokesman Austin hacker said 2021 01:26:57,470 --> 01:26:53,040 and I'm quoting here 2022 01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:57,480 in addition to recent claims by a 2023 01:27:01,430 --> 01:27:00,000 whistleblower David grush reports 2024 01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:01,440 continue to surface regarding 2025 01:27:05,689 --> 01:27:03,960 unidentified anomalous phenomena the 2026 01:27:08,030 --> 01:27:05,699 house oversight committee is following 2027 01:27:10,930 --> 01:27:08,040 these UAP reports and is in the early 2028 01:27:13,689 --> 01:27:10,940 stages of planning another hearing 2029 01:27:17,290 --> 01:27:13,699 Republican Representatives Anna Paulina 2030 01:27:21,290 --> 01:27:17,300 Luna and of course Tim burchett 2031 01:27:22,850 --> 01:27:21,300 confirmed today on Twitter that they 2032 01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:22,860 will lead the committee's investigation 2033 01:27:29,390 --> 01:27:25,980 into UFOs officially referred to as 2034 01:27:34,129 --> 01:27:29,400 unidentified anomalous phenomena on uaps 2035 01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:34,139 so that the this is the results of this 2036 01:27:40,370 --> 01:27:35,840 dobster 2037 01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:40,380 telling the truth lying I you know I I 2038 01:27:46,610 --> 01:27:44,460 have no idea but this is the results of 2039 01:27:49,250 --> 01:27:46,620 this just like what happened back in 2040 01:27:50,930 --> 01:27:49,260 December of 2017. 2041 01:27:53,090 --> 01:27:50,940 yeah the hearing is an exciting 2042 01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:53,100 development I was intrigued by that I 2043 01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:55,440 can't wait but we haven't heard it's 2044 01:28:01,250 --> 01:27:58,920 open yet meaning it's it will it be 2045 01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:01,260 for the public or will it be behind 2046 01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:04,860 closed doors because of grush's 2047 01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:07,679 security clearance and the fact that he 2048 01:28:12,410 --> 01:28:10,560 may you know have to encroach on 2049 01:28:14,270 --> 01:28:12,420 classified territory even when he's not 2050 01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:14,280 talking about alien bodies but in some 2051 01:28:18,410 --> 01:28:16,560 other answers for foundation or 2052 01:28:20,990 --> 01:28:18,420 something like that so they may do this 2053 01:28:23,149 --> 01:28:21,000 hearing behind closed doors uh at this 2054 01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:23,159 point as you and I talk I have not seen 2055 01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:25,800 that they were doing a open hearing 2056 01:28:29,930 --> 01:28:28,320 confirmed but rather a hearing so I 2057 01:28:32,689 --> 01:28:29,940 think that that it'll be interesting to 2058 01:28:36,649 --> 01:28:32,699 see if they actually will do this in the 2059 01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,659 open uh we'll we'll see I mean again the 2060 01:28:40,910 --> 01:28:38,639 the jury's out there but it's a it's a 2061 01:28:43,610 --> 01:28:40,920 positive development no matter what but 2062 01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:43,620 we then have to kind of as as we 2063 01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:47,040 anticipate that and wait for it what 2064 01:28:52,370 --> 01:28:50,400 happens if if the if the Congress looks 2065 01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:52,380 at it they do their hearing behind 2066 01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,840 closed doors or not what happens if the 2067 01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:57,120 world doesn't change what happens if 2068 01:29:01,010 --> 01:28:58,800 they don't come out of that going oh my 2069 01:29:02,750 --> 01:29:01,020 gosh well like all the all of this is is 2070 01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:02,760 legitimate 2071 01:29:07,610 --> 01:29:05,600 um because you have so many fat actors 2072 01:29:09,649 --> 01:29:07,620 involved here on whether or not that 2073 01:29:13,490 --> 01:29:09,659 they would be actually honest with the 2074 01:29:15,649 --> 01:29:13,500 general public if it were true and and 2075 01:29:18,770 --> 01:29:15,659 it that's again goes back to the root of 2076 01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:18,780 this that bothers me so much because I 2077 01:29:21,590 --> 01:29:20,100 just don't think that he would be able 2078 01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:21,600 to get to that point I think you're 2079 01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,040 going to see a conveyance of what he's 2080 01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:25,679 what he's heard and then potentially no 2081 01:29:29,149 --> 01:29:26,940 real 2082 01:29:30,890 --> 01:29:29,159 action after that the government will 2083 01:29:32,810 --> 01:29:30,900 chime in and unless I'm pleasantly 2084 01:29:35,209 --> 01:29:32,820 surprised and they go okay we've been 2085 01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:35,219 lying to you guys yeah there's bodies 2086 01:29:40,129 --> 01:29:37,679 and craft uh which I don't anticipate 2087 01:29:43,010 --> 01:29:40,139 happening how will that play out and and 2088 01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:43,020 I think that we can't isn't that too 2089 01:29:47,450 --> 01:29:45,600 overly excited about this but isn't that 2090 01:29:49,010 --> 01:29:47,460 the strange part you brought this up 2091 01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,020 yourself at the beginning of the show 2092 01:29:54,350 --> 01:29:51,120 we've got disinformation and 2093 01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:54,360 misinformation supporting both sides of 2094 01:30:01,490 --> 01:29:57,360 the argument yeah right it doesn't make 2095 01:30:03,709 --> 01:30:01,500 any sense and it may be is it is it that 2096 01:30:07,689 --> 01:30:03,719 the government is at the point of 2097 01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:07,699 tapping out okay uh you know what 2098 01:30:13,970 --> 01:30:10,980 this is where we are now we've got 2099 01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:13,980 somebody from the government talking the 2100 01:30:17,629 --> 01:30:15,199 smack 2101 01:30:19,790 --> 01:30:17,639 this we have to take serious and maybe 2102 01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:19,800 the cat is out of the bag that's a 2103 01:30:26,090 --> 01:30:22,800 possibility and then and it's you must 2104 01:30:28,910 --> 01:30:26,100 have so much foia fodder right now I 2105 01:30:30,610 --> 01:30:28,920 can't imagine uh what you're working on 2106 01:30:33,770 --> 01:30:30,620 right now but 2107 01:30:35,890 --> 01:30:33,780 apparently he's given us some dates and 2108 01:30:44,110 --> 01:30:35,900 locations 2109 01:30:50,090 --> 01:30:47,209 for you you don't need much for foia 2110 01:30:52,010 --> 01:30:50,100 John Greenwald needs a period and a 2111 01:30:53,570 --> 01:30:52,020 comma and that's all you need and you 2112 01:30:55,790 --> 01:30:53,580 can go and get all the points I've 2113 01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:55,800 worked with less actually 2114 01:31:01,610 --> 01:30:59,520 so what do we do with this we got a 1933 2115 01:31:03,470 --> 01:31:01,620 crash retrieve he's given a description 2116 01:31:07,729 --> 01:31:03,480 of it 2117 01:31:10,370 --> 01:31:07,739 um uh is that something that is man I'm 2118 01:31:14,209 --> 01:31:10,380 gonna use the word chastise me later 2119 01:31:15,709 --> 01:31:14,219 foia is that is it not really but this 2120 01:31:17,629 --> 01:31:15,719 is a story that's been around in books 2121 01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:17,639 before I had I actually tweeted this out 2122 01:31:23,390 --> 01:31:20,400 so if anybody uses Twitter Black Vault 2123 01:31:27,709 --> 01:31:23,400 com like.com but without the period 2124 01:31:30,169 --> 01:31:27,719 Black Vault com is my my handle uh it's 2125 01:31:32,270 --> 01:31:30,179 uh as we speak right now live it is one 2126 01:31:33,770 --> 01:31:32,280 of the one of the top posts most recent 2127 01:31:36,169 --> 01:31:33,780 I should say so you should see it in the 2128 01:31:37,610 --> 01:31:36,179 top and with permission a couple years 2129 01:31:40,010 --> 01:31:37,620 back 2130 01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:40,020 um the publishing companies wanted me to 2131 01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:42,300 to to to to publish this document 2132 01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:43,920 there's documents on there it's a full 2133 01:31:46,850 --> 01:31:45,840 article that goes into the details of 2134 01:31:48,169 --> 01:31:46,860 this case 2135 01:31:49,790 --> 01:31:48,179 um I could not recite them to you 2136 01:31:52,750 --> 01:31:49,800 because I'm not really well versed on 2137 01:31:55,729 --> 01:31:52,760 what this case is but when I heard about 2138 01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:55,739 grush bringing up this case I tweeted 2139 01:32:00,590 --> 01:31:57,840 out that page just for some extra 2140 01:32:02,149 --> 01:32:00,600 context for everybody out there some 2141 01:32:04,129 --> 01:32:02,159 people are saying that this is going to 2142 01:32:05,870 --> 01:32:04,139 work against him others are very 2143 01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:05,880 intrigued by it again you have the 2144 01:32:09,950 --> 01:32:08,280 warring factions on whether or not this 2145 01:32:13,129 --> 01:32:09,960 is actually going to hurt or harm his 2146 01:32:16,370 --> 01:32:13,139 story I am neutral on that at this point 2147 01:32:18,530 --> 01:32:16,380 I just you know I I like when I can to 2148 01:32:21,290 --> 01:32:18,540 just say here's the information you guys 2149 01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,300 do it and read it and decide for 2150 01:32:26,209 --> 01:32:23,520 yourself because that has been a case 2151 01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:26,219 that has been written about in books and 2152 01:32:29,689 --> 01:32:28,080 and so on and has been around for many 2153 01:32:32,050 --> 01:32:29,699 years so that article will have quite a 2154 01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:32,060 bit for you but that's not my question 2155 01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:35,040 okay but thank you for all of that John 2156 01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:36,780 that was I'm sorry if I missed something 2157 01:32:41,090 --> 01:32:39,540 that was that was precise and to the 2158 01:32:44,629 --> 01:32:41,100 point 2159 01:32:47,149 --> 01:32:44,639 um is there enough with this case uh to 2160 01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:47,159 get more information out of it for 2161 01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:48,960 congress 2162 01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:52,880 um for the intelligence committees 2163 01:32:57,229 --> 01:32:55,440 it's before everybody's time anybody 2164 01:33:00,350 --> 01:32:57,239 that was involved with that is dead 2165 01:33:03,709 --> 01:33:00,360 right it's a hundred years ago so is 2166 01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:03,719 there enough there for I mean why bring 2167 01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:07,440 it up if there's is or was he shown 2168 01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:11,040 something again he keeps referencing uh 2169 01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:12,960 the materials that he was shown that he 2170 01:33:19,729 --> 01:33:16,560 forwarded on to the IG is this one of 2171 01:33:22,970 --> 01:33:19,739 those cases is there enough there for 2172 01:33:26,510 --> 01:33:22,980 the government to to to look into 2173 01:33:28,729 --> 01:33:26,520 yeah from 1933 to foia material you can 2174 01:33:31,250 --> 01:33:28,739 absolutely foia material that old uh I 2175 01:33:33,169 --> 01:33:31,260 mean I foiled foia documents from World 2176 01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:33,179 War one so 2177 01:33:37,610 --> 01:33:35,760 um you know it's it's definitely foia a 2178 01:33:39,610 --> 01:33:37,620 bull uh but the intelligence agencies 2179 01:33:43,310 --> 01:33:39,620 that would likely have anything on it 2180 01:33:44,990 --> 01:33:43,320 didn't exist uh really at that point I 2181 01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:45,000 mean you know you you had a lot of 2182 01:33:51,410 --> 01:33:47,760 agencies more in the 1947 era come 2183 01:33:53,689 --> 01:33:51,420 around uh versus anything that that uh 2184 01:33:56,209 --> 01:33:53,699 would have information on this most of 2185 01:33:57,470 --> 01:33:56,219 this is from Italian archives so in 2186 01:33:59,629 --> 01:33:57,480 essence you would have to go through the 2187 01:34:02,330 --> 01:33:59,639 Italian government if they had anything 2188 01:34:03,530 --> 01:34:02,340 so so yeah I mean I wasn't dodging that 2189 01:34:05,330 --> 01:34:03,540 that part of your question but there's 2190 01:34:07,370 --> 01:34:05,340 really nothing that you can really foia 2191 01:34:10,010 --> 01:34:07,380 on our side unless 2192 01:34:12,169 --> 01:34:10,020 during the course of this this now has 2193 01:34:14,330 --> 01:34:12,179 become an interest of the U.S government 2194 01:34:16,850 --> 01:34:14,340 and then one of the intelligence 2195 01:34:18,410 --> 01:34:16,860 agencies start to say well hey wait a 2196 01:34:21,649 --> 01:34:18,420 minute we've seen credible evidence of a 2197 01:34:24,169 --> 01:34:21,659 1933 XYZ uh what can we find out and 2198 01:34:25,970 --> 01:34:24,179 then that becomes foiable but until we 2199 01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:25,980 get word of you know if that's even 2200 01:34:30,770 --> 01:34:29,040 going to happen I I don't know bottom 2201 01:34:33,709 --> 01:34:30,780 line though this case is not new it's 2202 01:34:37,850 --> 01:34:33,719 it's been around forever for a while and 2203 01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:37,860 I certainly uh I I I I I wouldn't I 2204 01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:43,199 wouldn't think that uh I'm gonna upset 2205 01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,320 half of my audience that somebody do 2206 01:34:51,169 --> 01:34:48,719 that often yes it's so fine yeah yeah 2207 01:34:53,930 --> 01:34:51,179 you do it you do it all on your own 2208 01:34:55,810 --> 01:34:53,940 um that somebody gave him you know some 2209 01:34:58,970 --> 01:34:55,820 dog-eared copy of the Philadelphia 2210 01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:58,980 Experiment and gave him a book and said 2211 01:35:03,490 --> 01:35:01,920 this is this is this really happened I 2212 01:35:07,570 --> 01:35:03,500 don't think that's the case with David 2213 01:35:11,570 --> 01:35:07,580 something else was given to him which is 2214 01:35:14,209 --> 01:35:11,580 uh bringing me to this next point maybe 2215 01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:14,219 this they're calling it The Bell right 2216 01:35:19,310 --> 01:35:17,520 again right here we go die clock or how 2217 01:35:22,370 --> 01:35:19,320 I reset 2218 01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:22,380 um is that object 2219 01:35:29,090 --> 01:35:26,400 sitting in a laboratory somewhere in a 2220 01:35:32,930 --> 01:35:29,100 warehouse out here in the Mojave Desert 2221 01:35:35,810 --> 01:35:32,940 that's the point it hasn't been sat and 2222 01:35:39,530 --> 01:35:35,820 researched on and would that be foilable 2223 01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,540 not the crash retrieval from 1933 I 2224 01:35:45,229 --> 01:35:41,520 could give a crap about that where is 2225 01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:45,239 the where is that object today and have 2226 01:35:51,470 --> 01:35:48,000 we been backwards engineering that and 2227 01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:51,480 is that foilable yeah it in essence it 2228 01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:53,520 all would be everything that David grush 2229 01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:55,760 has talked about in summation anyway 2230 01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,980 would be foieable if we had actual 2231 01:36:03,229 --> 01:36:00,960 details to work with 2232 01:36:06,890 --> 01:36:03,239 but again we don't have those details so 2233 01:36:10,189 --> 01:36:06,900 we just have stories at this point and 2234 01:36:11,629 --> 01:36:10,199 and this is again that concern to where 2235 01:36:14,090 --> 01:36:11,639 you know even though we don't have those 2236 01:36:17,810 --> 01:36:14,100 details even summation it would be 2237 01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:17,820 classified so that's a big hurdle I 2238 01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,159 think that those involved in this story 2239 01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,800 when they appear before Congress will 2240 01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:24,480 have to get over hopefully they have 2241 01:36:30,350 --> 01:36:26,880 those details it's rumored they do so 2242 01:36:32,689 --> 01:36:30,360 great if they do then Congress will 2243 01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:32,699 hopefully go right to the door of 2244 01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,040 wherever they said and and figure this 2245 01:36:38,990 --> 01:36:37,440 out but then the question mark whether 2246 01:36:43,310 --> 01:36:39,000 or not gracious story is real or not 2247 01:36:45,890 --> 01:36:43,320 will Congress be open and honest with 2248 01:36:47,629 --> 01:36:45,900 the general public and I have my doubts 2249 01:36:49,129 --> 01:36:47,639 about that so take my skepticism about 2250 01:36:52,129 --> 01:36:49,139 Grocer's claims put it out the window 2251 01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:52,139 let's say for a moment they're all true 2252 01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:54,719 if Congress finds that out will they 2253 01:36:58,790 --> 01:36:56,880 tell us or will the intelligence 2254 01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:58,800 Community that's been in charge of 2255 01:37:04,250 --> 01:37:02,159 keeping this all secret convince the 2256 01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:04,260 Senators and congressmen hey look you 2257 01:37:07,490 --> 01:37:05,520 know we'll give you a bone or maybe 2258 01:37:10,610 --> 01:37:07,500 something that we can talk about but you 2259 01:37:13,250 --> 01:37:10,620 cannot reveal any of this 2260 01:37:15,649 --> 01:37:13,260 um so we have to you know figure figure 2261 01:37:17,629 --> 01:37:15,659 out more of a cover story so that way 2262 01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:17,639 you can appease your constituents you 2263 01:37:22,490 --> 01:37:19,679 looked into it you found that yes it 2264 01:37:24,290 --> 01:37:22,500 does involve some type of Technology but 2265 01:37:26,930 --> 01:37:24,300 we're safe and everybody's all 2266 01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:26,940 hunky-dory uh and and cover it up again 2267 01:37:31,370 --> 01:37:28,560 for another hundred years until somebody 2268 01:37:34,129 --> 01:37:31,380 else comes along so there's a lot of 2269 01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:34,139 things at play here because I go back to 2270 01:37:39,950 --> 01:37:37,679 the provable secrecy that is deepening 2271 01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:39,960 when it comes to this topic and it's 2272 01:37:44,689 --> 01:37:42,960 only gotten worse and in the last week 2273 01:37:46,729 --> 01:37:44,699 didn't get a lot of press especially 2274 01:37:48,350 --> 01:37:46,739 because of what's going on this week and 2275 01:37:50,629 --> 01:37:48,360 it's snoozy I get it some of these legal 2276 01:37:54,830 --> 01:37:50,639 things are awful but the Department of 2277 01:37:58,490 --> 01:37:54,840 Defense has now done in my view a brand 2278 01:37:59,930 --> 01:37:58,500 new effort to legally thwart any effort 2279 01:38:03,110 --> 01:37:59,940 through the Freedom of Information Act 2280 01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:03,120 to get UAP related information 2281 01:38:08,750 --> 01:38:06,080 that they have created now an argument 2282 01:38:11,209 --> 01:38:08,760 that is going to be incredibly difficult 2283 01:38:12,770 --> 01:38:11,219 for me to fight I have fought through 2284 01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:12,780 the last quite a few years through the 2285 01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:15,600 appeal process and one quite a few of 2286 01:38:21,169 --> 01:38:18,480 those appeals lost quite a few also but 2287 01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:21,179 one them to go back and release 2288 01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:24,000 information that they first denied but 2289 01:38:29,450 --> 01:38:26,159 though now their tactic is making what 2290 01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:29,460 Arrow's mission is labeling it a law 2291 01:38:36,050 --> 01:38:32,639 enforcement investigation and by doing 2292 01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:36,060 so exemption B7 now comes into play 2293 01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:38,880 where if they label everything arrow is 2294 01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:42,840 doing as B7 that means that any UAP 2295 01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:44,880 related anything 2296 01:38:50,330 --> 01:38:47,760 as it relates to Arrow will be 100 2297 01:38:52,189 --> 01:38:50,340 percent exempt through the Freedom of 2298 01:38:55,310 --> 01:38:52,199 Information Act from top to bottom left 2299 01:38:57,950 --> 01:38:55,320 to right 100 percent in perpetuity until 2300 01:39:00,770 --> 01:38:57,960 Arrow ceases to exist 2301 01:39:04,090 --> 01:39:00,780 that is incredibly problematic and that 2302 01:39:06,830 --> 01:39:04,100 does not help stories like David grush 2303 01:39:09,950 --> 01:39:06,840 yeah no I can talk about bodies and 2304 01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:09,960 craft right no way there's no way those 2305 01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:12,480 things are are are together in this 2306 01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:15,600 conversation not at all okay let's wrap 2307 01:39:23,709 --> 01:39:18,480 this up with probably the most important 2308 01:39:31,729 --> 01:39:27,169 because we are dealing with special 2309 01:39:32,830 --> 01:39:31,739 access programs black dark disappearing 2310 01:39:39,050 --> 01:39:32,840 money 2311 01:39:43,070 --> 01:39:39,060 and and entities that exist outside of 2312 01:39:45,649 --> 01:39:43,080 the government is it possible for the 2313 01:39:49,129 --> 01:39:45,659 oversight committee right is it possible 2314 01:39:51,229 --> 01:39:49,139 for James Comer is it possible for Marco 2315 01:39:55,729 --> 01:39:51,239 Rubio or the Senate intelligence 2316 01:40:00,290 --> 01:39:55,739 committee to go and look into special 2317 01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:00,300 access programs to confirm 2318 01:40:07,729 --> 01:40:04,400 David grush's statements is it outside 2319 01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:07,739 of even their purview and their 2320 01:40:13,129 --> 01:40:10,800 enforcement abilities 2321 01:40:15,169 --> 01:40:13,139 uh it's I've seen it argued both ways 2322 01:40:18,530 --> 01:40:15,179 they should be able to have oversight 2323 01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:18,540 even on some of these deep dark secrets 2324 01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,159 that the US government U.S military 2325 01:40:24,830 --> 01:40:22,560 holds uh but I've also seen arguments 2326 01:40:26,750 --> 01:40:24,840 that they would be denied as well but 2327 01:40:28,490 --> 01:40:26,760 it's a very difficult path to walk down 2328 01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:28,500 because now you're just getting into a 2329 01:40:32,810 --> 01:40:30,239 conspiracy mindset that you can't 2330 01:40:35,570 --> 01:40:32,820 believe anybody and and and that's fine 2331 01:40:39,110 --> 01:40:35,580 maybe we can't believe anybody 2332 01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:39,120 um but that's uh kind of leaning into my 2333 01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:41,520 my thing earlier in your show that I 2334 01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:42,960 brought up that it's quite possible 2335 01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:46,560 David grush is being misled to create a 2336 01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:48,480 very muddy pit of information that's now 2337 01:40:53,629 --> 01:40:50,880 been put forth to the general public to 2338 01:40:55,129 --> 01:40:53,639 confuse the heck out of everyone and at 2339 01:40:57,530 --> 01:40:55,139 the end of the day bring no evidence 2340 01:41:01,129 --> 01:40:57,540 along with it but to your point would 2341 01:41:02,870 --> 01:41:01,139 they have access we we would hope but if 2342 01:41:04,850 --> 01:41:02,880 gresh is telling the truth and his 2343 01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:04,860 sources are solid and all the stories 2344 01:41:10,370 --> 01:41:07,440 are true that means that the information 2345 01:41:14,270 --> 01:41:10,380 that grush has will be able to take 2346 01:41:16,490 --> 01:41:14,280 Marco Rubio or whomever on a journey to 2347 01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:16,500 the front door of wherever this stuff is 2348 01:41:20,990 --> 01:41:19,440 despite security layers and and and find 2349 01:41:23,390 --> 01:41:21,000 this out and really knock on the doors 2350 01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:23,400 so if the Senators if the Congress men 2351 01:41:29,209 --> 01:41:26,880 women whomever wants answers it sounds 2352 01:41:31,729 --> 01:41:29,219 like grush can give that to them and I'm 2353 01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:31,739 eager to see despite my skepticism hey 2354 01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,080 if he's telling the truth then the 2355 01:41:38,570 --> 01:41:36,239 blueprint is there the the road map I 2356 01:41:40,189 --> 01:41:38,580 should say is there to take Congress 2357 01:41:41,930 --> 01:41:40,199 directly to the door of where these 2358 01:41:44,810 --> 01:41:41,940 secrets are being kept and let's change 2359 01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:44,820 the world and and see what happens you 2360 01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:46,800 know and and that's the bottom line here 2361 01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:50,639 but will that actually take place I 2362 01:41:54,410 --> 01:41:52,560 don't I don't know 2363 01:41:56,270 --> 01:41:54,420 um that's why it's an exciting time we 2364 01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:56,280 live in because we're all on this 2365 01:41:59,990 --> 01:41:57,840 journey together you know and we're 2366 01:42:03,890 --> 01:42:00,000 we're heading towards the season finale 2367 01:42:06,109 --> 01:42:03,900 on the uh on on The ufology Rush season 2368 01:42:08,149 --> 01:42:06,119 when this hearing happens and we'll see 2369 01:42:10,129 --> 01:42:08,159 what happens after man I was pretty 2370 01:42:11,470 --> 01:42:10,139 depressed at the end of succession by 2371 01:42:13,729 --> 01:42:11,480 the way I 2372 01:42:19,729 --> 01:42:13,739 I don't know if I want to see the end of 2373 01:42:22,910 --> 01:42:19,739 this uh the journey is is uh as much fun 2374 01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:22,920 as getting to the real information but 2375 01:42:28,490 --> 01:42:26,840 um the the question is 2376 01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:28,500 why 2377 01:42:33,290 --> 01:42:30,960 would grush 2378 01:42:35,930 --> 01:42:33,300 make it up 2379 01:42:38,810 --> 01:42:35,940 not that he was misled 2380 01:42:40,090 --> 01:42:38,820 okay let's okay let's go to The Other 2381 01:42:45,709 --> 01:42:40,100 Extreme 2382 01:42:48,649 --> 01:42:45,719 why in a volunteer sense walk the plank 2383 01:42:51,770 --> 01:42:48,659 ruin your life and ruin your name and 2384 01:42:56,270 --> 01:42:51,780 reputation why would you do that 2385 01:42:59,209 --> 01:42:56,280 I I I I I I I I don't feel it John I I 2386 01:43:01,370 --> 01:42:59,219 don't think he would I I that was not my 2387 01:43:04,850 --> 01:43:01,380 first thought on that yeah I mean it's 2388 01:43:06,290 --> 01:43:04,860 possible you know but I with with what 2389 01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:06,300 he's done which works to his credit 2390 01:43:09,169 --> 01:43:08,159 filing the complaint and so on and so 2391 01:43:11,050 --> 01:43:09,179 forth 2392 01:43:14,270 --> 01:43:11,060 um I just don't I don't see a 100 2393 01:43:17,390 --> 01:43:14,280 fabricated story that he's making that I 2394 01:43:19,609 --> 01:43:17,400 I I I was not on that originally and and 2395 01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:19,619 not on that now 2396 01:43:23,330 --> 01:43:21,119 um but one thing and I've seen it in 2397 01:43:25,010 --> 01:43:23,340 your chat as well that if he is not 2398 01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:25,020 telling the truth and the complaint that 2399 01:43:28,370 --> 01:43:26,639 he would go to jail 2400 01:43:31,250 --> 01:43:28,380 um that is also a big misconception 2401 01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:31,260 about all of this now I've heard this 2402 01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:33,600 repeated over and over and over again 2403 01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:35,820 right that 2404 01:43:43,010 --> 01:43:39,840 I I have signed documents uh as a 2405 01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:43,020 military dependent right and and you see 2406 01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:45,360 that at the bottom right five years in 2407 01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:48,360 prison ten thousand dollar fine yeah 2408 01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:51,420 um you know that's that's that's that's 2409 01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,679 seems to be everywhere yeah but now uh 2410 01:44:02,390 --> 01:43:57,920 it is certainly part of the conversation 2411 01:44:05,149 --> 01:44:02,400 that this uh this involves prison time 2412 01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:05,159 and and a heavy fine and and everything 2413 01:44:09,709 --> 01:44:07,440 else you're saying that that may not be 2414 01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:09,719 the case no because if he's conveying 2415 01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:12,239 what he believes to be the truth and it 2416 01:44:17,629 --> 01:44:14,639 goes into the scenario of is he misled 2417 01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:17,639 or or anything to that effect 2418 01:44:21,890 --> 01:44:19,440 um he's still conveying what he believes 2419 01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:21,900 to be true so they're not going to slap 2420 01:44:26,270 --> 01:44:23,760 him in cuffs they go that's it man 2421 01:44:28,189 --> 01:44:26,280 you're going to jail where those lines 2422 01:44:30,430 --> 01:44:28,199 are and those documents that you've 2423 01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:30,440 signed but more so in the security Arena 2424 01:44:36,350 --> 01:44:33,840 you when you're making legal accusations 2425 01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:36,360 and criminal accusations against someone 2426 01:44:41,390 --> 01:44:39,119 and you have created a plot against them 2427 01:44:45,790 --> 01:44:41,400 generally that's what those lines are 2428 01:44:48,290 --> 01:44:45,800 there for that you are creating a a 2429 01:44:50,270 --> 01:44:48,300 fictionalized scenario to try and get 2430 01:44:51,470 --> 01:44:50,280 somebody else in trouble that's 2431 01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:51,480 generally what you're going to get 2432 01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:54,060 prosecuted for you know and and if he 2433 01:44:59,629 --> 01:44:56,880 did make up this entire story 2434 01:45:02,330 --> 01:44:59,639 um would that even constitute jail time 2435 01:45:04,430 --> 01:45:02,340 I I don't I I don't see that but I mean 2436 01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:04,440 maybe I just don't think he is making it 2437 01:45:08,090 --> 01:45:06,239 up I do think that he's basing it on 2438 01:45:10,189 --> 01:45:08,100 something and and 2439 01:45:12,169 --> 01:45:10,199 um you know I I don't see that it would 2440 01:45:14,810 --> 01:45:12,179 play out that way but the misconception 2441 01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:14,820 of of him lying or having factually 2442 01:45:19,070 --> 01:45:16,800 incorrect information in his complaint 2443 01:45:21,649 --> 01:45:19,080 even though he swore under you know 2444 01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,659 penalty of perjury that it was true but 2445 01:45:25,729 --> 01:45:24,000 if it was wrong it all depends on the 2446 01:45:28,970 --> 01:45:25,739 context and I'll give you a real world 2447 01:45:31,250 --> 01:45:28,980 provable example and ironically it's 2448 01:45:34,129 --> 01:45:31,260 about Luis elizondo's Inspector General 2449 01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:34,139 complaint and there is an entire section 2450 01:45:40,330 --> 01:45:37,679 in there that is wrong not because I say 2451 01:45:43,729 --> 01:45:40,340 it's wrong but because I know it's wrong 2452 01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:43,739 it is factually incorrect and it places 2453 01:45:48,350 --> 01:45:46,320 an accusation on somebody that had 2454 01:45:51,050 --> 01:45:48,360 nothing to do with the situation at hand 2455 01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:51,060 how do I know because I'm the one that 2456 01:45:55,250 --> 01:45:53,760 did the actual story I'm the one that 2457 01:45:57,050 --> 01:45:55,260 worked with the Department of Defense 2458 01:46:00,109 --> 01:45:57,060 through not only the Freedom of 2459 01:46:01,330 --> 01:46:00,119 Information Act but another process to 2460 01:46:04,850 --> 01:46:01,340 get 2461 01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:04,860 essentially what led to the discovery 2462 01:46:10,250 --> 01:46:07,440 that Luis elizondo's emails were all 2463 01:46:12,109 --> 01:46:10,260 destroyed Susan Goff had nothing to do 2464 01:46:14,689 --> 01:46:12,119 with this the Pentagon spokesperson had 2465 01:46:16,189 --> 01:46:14,699 zero to do with this I was working with 2466 01:46:18,649 --> 01:46:16,199 a legal division within the Department 2467 01:46:21,169 --> 01:46:18,659 of Defense to get statements and I 2468 01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:21,179 worked on this story for months I was 2469 01:46:25,790 --> 01:46:23,280 making sure that I dotted every eye and 2470 01:46:28,430 --> 01:46:25,800 crossed every T I was very intimately 2471 01:46:32,330 --> 01:46:28,440 involved in that yet in the complaint 2472 01:46:34,490 --> 01:46:32,340 that story was used Susan Goff was 2473 01:46:36,590 --> 01:46:34,500 blamed and she's the one that actually 2474 01:46:38,990 --> 01:46:36,600 had the accusation made against her in 2475 01:46:42,050 --> 01:46:39,000 the inspector general complaint and the 2476 01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:42,060 story was exaggerated I asked for 2477 01:46:45,410 --> 01:46:44,159 clarification from him he never gave it 2478 01:46:47,390 --> 01:46:45,420 to me that if he had some other 2479 01:46:50,930 --> 01:46:47,400 information that he never informed me of 2480 01:46:52,970 --> 01:46:50,940 could he please prove it he never did he 2481 01:46:55,850 --> 01:46:52,980 then turned the emails being destroyed 2482 01:46:57,070 --> 01:46:55,860 as his entire file base and data and 2483 01:47:00,890 --> 01:46:57,080 this and that 2484 01:47:03,290 --> 01:47:00,900 that was all untrue I have not seen any 2485 01:47:06,189 --> 01:47:03,300 evidence to support that and so I bring 2486 01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,199 that up to say he's not let out in cuffs 2487 01:47:12,649 --> 01:47:08,880 his Inspector General complaint was 2488 01:47:13,689 --> 01:47:12,659 dismissed it was found to not be 2489 01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:13,699 um 2490 01:47:18,350 --> 01:47:16,560 actionable that that there was no there 2491 01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:18,360 was no action for them to take and they 2492 01:47:22,129 --> 01:47:20,400 closed it we don't hear about that a lot 2493 01:47:25,790 --> 01:47:22,139 we just hear about the complaint but it 2494 01:47:27,649 --> 01:47:25,800 was closed uh the beginning of 2022 or I 2495 01:47:29,629 --> 01:47:27,659 think March or something like that and 2496 01:47:31,070 --> 01:47:29,639 uh I got the letter actually released 2497 01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:31,080 through the Freedom of Information I got 2498 01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:33,119 all that information but my whole point 2499 01:47:38,209 --> 01:47:35,280 being is that he wasn't arrested and yet 2500 01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:38,219 there was a provably incorrect portion 2501 01:47:44,090 --> 01:47:41,460 of his Inspector General complaint and 2502 01:47:47,330 --> 01:47:44,100 again I've got numerous documents to 2503 01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:47,340 back up all of that and I'm happy to 2504 01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:50,159 release all of them if I ever had to but 2505 01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:51,840 all of that information is already in 2506 01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:54,000 the the public domain the communications 2507 01:47:57,709 --> 01:47:56,400 are all in the public domain the signed 2508 01:47:59,149 --> 01:47:57,719 letters from the Department of Defense 2509 01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:59,159 are already in the public domain I've 2510 01:48:03,530 --> 01:48:01,679 published them all so that's easily 2511 01:48:05,450 --> 01:48:03,540 proven so an accusation was made against 2512 01:48:07,129 --> 01:48:05,460 somebody that wasn't true but In 2513 01:48:09,470 --> 01:48:07,139 fairness to Luis Elizondo maybe he 2514 01:48:11,450 --> 01:48:09,480 thought it was and and that that then 2515 01:48:13,370 --> 01:48:11,460 goes to well are they going to prosecute 2516 01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:13,380 him for that well this is approvable 2517 01:48:18,590 --> 01:48:16,080 example no that's not the case so the 2518 01:48:20,270 --> 01:48:18,600 jail argument has to go away because we 2519 01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:20,280 can cite 2520 01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:22,800 provable examples that that is not the 2521 01:48:26,350 --> 01:48:24,239 case when you have factually incorrect 2522 01:48:30,109 --> 01:48:26,360 information in a complaint 2523 01:48:35,090 --> 01:48:30,119 uh whistleblower protection 2524 01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:35,100 does it cover because uh David grush has 2525 01:48:40,729 --> 01:48:36,719 has stated 2526 01:48:44,570 --> 01:48:40,739 um that he provided the documents to the 2527 01:48:46,669 --> 01:48:44,580 ig's office to to back this up what what 2528 01:48:48,410 --> 01:48:46,679 is in those documents I don't know you 2529 01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:48,420 know I have no idea I don't know what 2530 01:48:53,930 --> 01:48:51,900 was provided to dopps or I I don't but 2531 01:48:56,330 --> 01:48:53,940 he's insinuating 2532 01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,340 flying saucers and alien bodies right 2533 01:49:00,010 --> 01:48:58,320 that's that's the assumption that we're 2534 01:49:02,990 --> 01:49:00,020 making here 2535 01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:03,000 those documents 2536 01:49:10,609 --> 01:49:06,800 um support that then I would have to 2537 01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:10,619 assume and conclude that they are highly 2538 01:49:14,689 --> 01:49:12,000 classified 2539 01:49:18,649 --> 01:49:14,699 him being in possession of those 2540 01:49:21,890 --> 01:49:18,659 documents and providing those to the IG 2541 01:49:23,950 --> 01:49:21,900 is he protected can he possess those 2542 01:49:28,490 --> 01:49:23,960 documents one 2543 01:49:31,609 --> 01:49:28,500 he got him through the UAP task force or 2544 01:49:34,189 --> 01:49:31,619 whatever is he protected under uh 2545 01:49:36,350 --> 01:49:34,199 whistleblower protection uh for 2546 01:49:39,169 --> 01:49:36,360 possessing those for the brief moment 2547 01:49:41,810 --> 01:49:39,179 that he hands him over to the IG they're 2548 01:49:44,570 --> 01:49:41,820 certainly not unclassified documents 2549 01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:44,580 right if they're about alien bodies and 2550 01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:48,239 flying saucers so is he protected if he 2551 01:49:52,189 --> 01:49:49,920 was in possession of you know the 2552 01:49:53,090 --> 01:49:52,199 hottest paper in the world yeah and 2553 01:49:55,970 --> 01:49:53,100 that's what I'm trying to get 2554 01:49:57,410 --> 01:49:55,980 clarification on on a couple fronts from 2555 01:49:59,209 --> 01:49:57,420 people much smarter than me when it 2556 01:50:01,790 --> 01:49:59,219 comes to Legal so I don't have any 2557 01:50:03,530 --> 01:50:01,800 answer for you on that I do know there 2558 01:50:06,290 --> 01:50:03,540 is some level of whistleblower 2559 01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:06,300 protection but again if if he's talking 2560 01:50:11,149 --> 01:50:08,400 about special compartmentalized 2561 01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:11,159 information again top secret SCI that 2562 01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:13,920 he's not cleared to hear there's some 2563 01:50:19,010 --> 01:50:16,800 some some potential problems there 2564 01:50:22,669 --> 01:50:19,020 because if it's all true and other 2565 01:50:24,830 --> 01:50:22,679 people are reading him in on this SCI 2566 01:50:26,810 --> 01:50:24,840 information and he's not cleared for 2567 01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:26,820 that that's that's potentially 2568 01:50:31,910 --> 01:50:30,000 problematic also also kind of an 2569 01:50:34,250 --> 01:50:31,920 interesting red flag of the story 2570 01:50:35,629 --> 01:50:34,260 because he's admitting to that that all 2571 01:50:37,850 --> 01:50:35,639 these people are spelling all this 2572 01:50:40,850 --> 01:50:37,860 information and then he has x amount of 2573 01:50:46,330 --> 01:50:40,860 hours worth of of of interviews and so 2574 01:50:49,850 --> 01:50:46,340 on uh what in that is truly classified 2575 01:50:52,910 --> 01:50:49,860 yeah and privilege that's right but but 2576 01:50:56,209 --> 01:50:52,920 what's what's the alternative here 2577 01:50:59,629 --> 01:50:56,219 and you have a moral dilemma right 2578 01:51:01,850 --> 01:50:59,639 you're now like a walking Paradox damned 2579 01:51:04,370 --> 01:51:01,860 if you do damned if you don't and you're 2580 01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:04,380 sitting on this information do you just 2581 01:51:11,209 --> 01:51:09,360 clam up yeah or do you do you martyr 2582 01:51:13,250 --> 01:51:11,219 yourself do you go to the IG and do you 2583 01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:13,260 go public and do you do an interview 2584 01:51:20,990 --> 01:51:17,840 with Ross colfhart you know I I I think 2585 01:51:23,930 --> 01:51:21,000 if if all of this plays out the way that 2586 01:51:26,030 --> 01:51:23,940 it seems like it might then he did the 2587 01:51:27,609 --> 01:51:26,040 right thing yeah and that's the 2588 01:51:30,649 --> 01:51:27,619 protection there 2589 01:51:33,229 --> 01:51:30,659 again I'm not I'm not really privy to 2590 01:51:35,450 --> 01:51:33,239 from the legal standpoint on where that 2591 01:51:36,890 --> 01:51:35,460 protection is is that uh if he had it 2592 01:51:39,530 --> 01:51:36,900 didn't say anything it was caught with 2593 01:51:41,570 --> 01:51:39,540 it is that prosecutable but now with the 2594 01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:41,580 Whistleblower protection he took it 2595 01:51:45,590 --> 01:51:43,260 handed it off and said hey wait a minute 2596 01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:45,600 we need to do something about that that 2597 01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:48,239 will likely clear him uh but again 2598 01:51:53,810 --> 01:51:51,840 potentially backing up to the the area 2599 01:51:56,450 --> 01:51:53,820 where he got the doc documents from and 2600 01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:56,460 the people and so on are they protected 2601 01:51:59,629 --> 01:51:58,080 because they are not the whistleblowers 2602 01:52:01,609 --> 01:51:59,639 they're they're not the ones right 2603 01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,619 coming forward they were the ones that 2604 01:52:05,689 --> 01:52:03,840 took potentially top secret SCI 2605 01:52:07,970 --> 01:52:05,699 information passed it to somebody who 2606 01:52:09,950 --> 01:52:07,980 wasn't cleared and they are not coming 2607 01:52:11,450 --> 01:52:09,960 forward with any type of you know 2608 01:52:13,129 --> 01:52:11,460 whistleblower protection claim or 2609 01:52:16,430 --> 01:52:13,139 anything like that so is that why you 2610 01:52:20,090 --> 01:52:16,440 would lawyer up though right get just 2611 01:52:22,609 --> 01:52:20,100 get hand it to your lawyer you're not in 2612 01:52:25,129 --> 01:52:22,619 possession of it anymore right and now 2613 01:52:28,430 --> 01:52:25,139 the lawyer writes the complaint and he's 2614 01:52:31,070 --> 01:52:28,440 handing it over and you are not in 2615 01:52:33,010 --> 01:52:31,080 possession of the documents anymore and 2616 01:52:36,530 --> 01:52:33,020 you've gone through the legal window 2617 01:52:38,090 --> 01:52:36,540 yeah right and those are all great 2618 01:52:40,370 --> 01:52:38,100 questions that I'm seeking clarification 2619 01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:40,380 on because if he has this mountain of 2620 01:52:44,510 --> 01:52:42,960 classified information then he gets an 2621 01:52:46,490 --> 01:52:44,520 attorney and and I should mention that 2622 01:52:48,830 --> 01:52:46,500 we haven't mentioned yet the attorney is 2623 01:52:51,169 --> 01:52:48,840 is really impressive when it comes to 2624 01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:51,179 the background I was really impressed by 2625 01:52:57,229 --> 01:52:54,480 by who represented represents him he's 2626 01:52:58,609 --> 01:52:57,239 the first Inspector General of the 2627 01:53:01,609 --> 01:52:58,619 intelligence Community he's the first 2628 01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:01,619 icig so it's kind of interesting that 2629 01:53:08,689 --> 01:53:05,280 he's the one that has has been enlisted 2630 01:53:10,850 --> 01:53:08,699 to represent grush so I'm I'm really 2631 01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:10,860 eager to see this guy interviewed I mean 2632 01:53:15,890 --> 01:53:13,199 I'd love to interview him I I haven't 2633 01:53:18,169 --> 01:53:15,900 talked to him but regardless would love 2634 01:53:20,270 --> 01:53:18,179 if he does it I highly doubt he will I 2635 01:53:23,390 --> 01:53:20,280 mean generally attorneys are very very 2636 01:53:25,430 --> 01:53:23,400 in whistleblower situations pretty 2637 01:53:27,649 --> 01:53:25,440 guarded to a point they they get 2638 01:53:30,109 --> 01:53:27,659 information what they can out there but 2639 01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:30,119 while a case is still ongoing again this 2640 01:53:33,290 --> 01:53:31,920 is outside of the UFO realm but if you 2641 01:53:35,209 --> 01:53:33,300 watch those types of things those 2642 01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:35,219 attorneys are somewhat guarded they'll 2643 01:53:38,450 --> 01:53:36,960 do some media you know but they're not 2644 01:53:40,010 --> 01:53:38,460 going to be doing podcasts and stuff 2645 01:53:41,689 --> 01:53:40,020 like that they're going to wait for this 2646 01:53:44,270 --> 01:53:41,699 to kind of run its course but I'm super 2647 01:53:46,729 --> 01:53:44,280 intrigued by the attorney and his 2648 01:53:49,609 --> 01:53:46,739 involvement his acceptance of this how 2649 01:53:52,729 --> 01:53:49,619 much does he how much does he believe of 2650 01:53:55,010 --> 01:53:52,739 the claims or how much from a 2651 01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:55,020 attorney standpoint does he feel hey 2652 01:54:00,109 --> 01:53:57,840 look the legitimacy of the claims is of 2653 01:54:03,290 --> 01:54:00,119 no interest to me but the representation 2654 01:54:05,149 --> 01:54:03,300 of my client getting fairer fair 2655 01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:05,159 treatment is you know and a lot of 2656 01:54:09,530 --> 01:54:08,400 lawyers have that mindset of of it's not 2657 01:54:12,050 --> 01:54:09,540 about 2658 01:54:13,850 --> 01:54:12,060 what what their client did or didn't do 2659 01:54:15,410 --> 01:54:13,860 but rather getting the proper 2660 01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:15,420 representation not that this is a 2661 01:54:19,370 --> 01:54:17,040 criminal trial but you know what I mean 2662 01:54:20,930 --> 01:54:19,380 it's that mindset that they are there to 2663 01:54:24,350 --> 01:54:20,940 make sure their client is properly 2664 01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:24,360 represented not there to validate the 2665 01:54:29,810 --> 01:54:26,719 claims that are within Russia's 2666 01:54:31,790 --> 01:54:29,820 Holdings when it comes to the interviews 2667 01:54:33,590 --> 01:54:31,800 that he's done and so on so it'll be 2668 01:54:37,250 --> 01:54:33,600 interesting also to see that aspect play 2669 01:54:39,729 --> 01:54:37,260 out well okay I've got 60 seconds I'm 2670 01:54:43,790 --> 01:54:39,739 just what's next man 2671 01:54:46,250 --> 01:54:43,800 in this crazy aside from 10-foot aliens 2672 01:54:47,930 --> 01:54:46,260 running around looking for Mick West in 2673 01:54:50,689 --> 01:54:47,940 Las Vegas 2674 01:54:51,890 --> 01:54:50,699 um what's next man can it get any 2675 01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:51,900 crazier 2676 01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:56,400 don't put anything beyond don't don't 2677 01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:59,280 put anything past the UFO Community to 2678 01:55:03,050 --> 01:55:00,719 not generate something that's more 2679 01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:03,060 interesting than this so I'm eager to to 2680 01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:05,280 be on this ride with you and see where 2681 01:55:08,510 --> 01:55:07,199 it plays out and look I know that we've 2682 01:55:10,129 --> 01:55:08,520 talked a lot about the skeptical red 2683 01:55:12,530 --> 01:55:10,139 flags I'll make it very quick the 2684 01:55:14,209 --> 01:55:12,540 skeptical red flags here and I get it I 2685 01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:14,219 mean I I get a lot of heat for it not 2686 01:55:18,830 --> 01:55:16,080 everybody wants to hear about that but 2687 01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:18,840 if grush's claims are true they will 2688 01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:22,080 survive any question that I pose and any 2689 01:55:28,010 --> 01:55:24,480 skepticism that we have and I will be 2690 01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:28,020 right there to support the man when uh 2691 01:55:32,270 --> 01:55:30,719 or if any of this evidence is confirmed 2692 01:55:33,770 --> 01:55:32,280 not that he cares about my support but 2693 01:55:36,229 --> 01:55:33,780 what I mean is is that I will bring that 2694 01:55:38,570 --> 01:55:36,239 to viewers of my channel just as quick 2695 01:55:40,609 --> 01:55:38,580 as I bring questions and concerns but I 2696 01:55:42,109 --> 01:55:40,619 don't know why people get so upset when 2697 01:55:44,510 --> 01:55:42,119 you question something because it will 2698 01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:44,520 survive all of that what's next foyer 2699 01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:46,320 requests have already been filed and 2700 01:55:50,209 --> 01:55:47,760 even during our conversation I wrote 2701 01:55:51,890 --> 01:55:50,219 down one to file that I didn't think of 2702 01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:51,900 um so that's that's awesome and just try 2703 01:55:56,810 --> 01:55:54,719 trying to to figure out what every 2704 01:56:00,350 --> 01:55:56,820 puzzle piece is and go from there 2705 01:56:02,510 --> 01:56:00,360 question everything John Greenwald you 2706 01:56:05,090 --> 01:56:02,520 are the absolute very best my friend 2707 01:56:07,430 --> 01:56:05,100 I've never changed you're not you're not 2708 01:56:10,669 --> 01:56:07,440 going to change but just listen to me 2709 01:56:12,470 --> 01:56:10,679 okay stay the course I appreciate it 2710 01:56:14,090 --> 01:56:12,480 yeah anytime thanks again for the invite 2711 01:56:15,590 --> 01:56:14,100 it's always a pleasure you're the best 2712 01:56:19,129 --> 01:56:15,600 John thank you so much have a great 2713 01:56:21,530 --> 01:56:19,139 weekend John Greenwald it is The Black 2714 01:56:23,510 --> 01:56:21,540 Vault the blackfall.com is below you can 2715 01:56:26,990 --> 01:56:23,520 follow him on Twitter blackvault.com 2716 01:56:31,370 --> 01:56:27,000 it's right there on Twitter and that's 2717 01:56:34,370 --> 01:56:31,380 it this is the end of a crazy week what 2718 01:56:36,169 --> 01:56:34,380 a crazy week not only uh for me 2719 01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:36,179 personally it's been fun 2720 01:56:43,370 --> 01:56:40,560 but uh the community and now now we got 2721 01:56:44,930 --> 01:56:43,380 10 foot aliens running around Vegas I 2722 01:56:49,010 --> 01:56:44,940 want to thank John Greenwald for coming 2723 01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:49,020 in this story what is going on right now 2724 01:56:53,930 --> 01:56:50,639 with David brush 2725 01:56:58,070 --> 01:56:53,940 it's just the beginning and I really 2726 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